They are already discussing milking the subscribers

Reading all these threads just makes me think, "what did you EXPECT when this game goes so-called F2P?". They are going to do their utmost to make sure YOU pay whether you are a subber or a PYG'er. The more they milk from you the more they can keep in their pockets. Not against profit but I am against profit when it turns to pure greed.

Disapointingly I guess most people thought they'd do what they said they were GOING to do.

Now it seems they'll do whatever their accountants think will make the quickest buck and tell the players whatever they think will string them along for a bit more.


Even the idea that they are thinking about going back on their word reguarding Subs with F2P/Cashshop is frankly disgusting and a real downer for the future for SWTOR.

LOL, Im not sticking up for EA but clearly you have never played

Ultima Online
Everquest
Ashrons Call
Star Wars Galaxies
Dark Age of Camelot
Everquest 2
Dungeons and Dragons Online
and many many many others

Every one of those games (and many more) the player base has stated they felt they were being forced to pay of beta testing after initial release!

For all the bugs and brain dead moves EA made designing, developing, promoting this game, to be honest since release the game has stated much the same (SWG had 3+ "updates" that drastically changed how you veiwed and played the game to try and intice subscribers to stay. In SWG you REALLY WERE paying to beta test their product. TOR hasnt done that).

So sorry. Maybe your new to MMORPGs (last 8 years) and dont have a full understanding of the genre but players claiming they are paying for beta testing is a old and establish whine since the early day of the genre and is NOT unique to SW:TOR in any way.

Not sticking up for EA and TOR. Quite frankly Ill never buy another EA product after TOR because of how this game been handled from the get go. But thats still no excuse to make blatently FALSE statements as person I quoted did.

Not saying we shouldnt worry :P just saying, its a pointless dicussion since BW arn't gonna come in here and say "hey guys, so how would you like this payment model to work?"

1 planet is a lot of content. I can see someone not wanting to spend 30+ bucks on it. But if there is a charge for Makeb, I really don't see how people can demand it be free. If it is free, great! But lets be honest... Bioware needs to make money off of the game, no?

Making subs pay for Makeb would be the stupidest thing they could do. If they are going to have subs pay for questing content what is the perks of being subbed? Getting to raid? Because that's a real perk, am I right?

If they are going to double whammy subs for content, then I imagine a lot of people like myself will just go F2P and pay for what we want. I suggest they give a discount to subs, but even that is sketchy business practice on a game that needs all the money it can get.

If any content that is not a legit expansion has to be payed for by players with a sub, I will be done with this game. Think however you want, do whatever YOU want, But I and many others will most likely be done with this game. Not that it seems as if they care much.

It may or may not be a lot of content, we just don't know yet. Sure, Hickman stated that Makeb is a "beefy chunk of content", but it doesn't really mean anything. He may see things like that from a dev point of view (assuming he's speaking the truth and not just advertising), while from a player point of view it can be completely different.
Anyway, that's not what i wanted to say. No matter if there will be lots of content or not, one single planet is definitely not an expansion. Everything that is not an expansion is just a content patch. How many subscription-based MMOs did you see charging their subscribers for a content patch?
I agree with this, and most likely will do the same if such a situation occurs. I may not completely abandon the game, will have a look at forums and news from time to time. But with my subscription cancelled until Bioware comes to its senses.

One planet is not a lot of content at all. One planet is the equivalent of one zone in World of Warcraft. Adding another planet is roughly the same (at best) as adding the Isle of Quel'Danas during The Burning Crusade.

Definitely not worth paying for like it's a true expansion.

They do make money off the game. They make $15 per month from me, and every other subscriber. That gives them a nice, reliable wad of cash every month, as long as there's an incentive to subscribe.

Why should I have to pay the same for Makeb as someone who they make $0 per month from? What is my - or anybody's -incentive, in that case, to keep paying $15 per month?

If I can pay using the CCs I get as part of the subscription model, that's fine. But if I can only use CCs for decorative cr*p that I don't care about, and I have to shell out yet more of my hard-earned to get more actual story, well, I see no advantage in giving them my nice, reliable $15 a month.