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Top 3 GTN annoyances


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Raora
08.20.2012 , 11:44 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Fomore View Post
well for 1 the 1 credit per unit undercut is me people buy the lowest on and dont care about if it is 1 credit or 100 credits lower. so by doing just 1 credit keeps the prices as high as posible.

depends on what item some items people want stacks some the buy single. or per set amound needed for crafting 4 of these or 6 of those.

all kinds of people buyers/sellers usualy a lot of brokers the buy low sell high specialy cause the GTN dont take cuts at all.
I'm not argueing your point, if you just want to help people out. But, economically, it's a waste of time if you just do basic math

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Malles
08.21.2012 , 12:51 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by asbalana View Post
I have mentioned this berfore and it may be a recent blip, but over the last few days I have been hit with what I feel is a (probably just me) string of nasty undercuts. By nasty I mean listing at one credit below my price (which I can live with to a degree) but then putting up a page or two of items at 1 credit below mine. That generally guarentees that none of my listings or any above me will sell. As an aside, I usually list four or five (at most) groups of similar items at a time at what I think is a fair price. That leaves room for everyone to particpate in the GTN and make some money.

I usually react badly to this practice (just me). My response was simple because I am lucky in that I have more credits than my wife and I could ever spend, can craft about anything that we may need, and have 16 cargo holds full of mats that actually have run out of room (as well as brimming bags with little to no space left). So I came back and undercut the undercutters (all three on different items) by one credit and then listed two pages of sales before theirs. I monitor the items and as mine sell add to the listings one credit below the undercutters. I feel badly about the people who had listed at or a little above my original listings, but the undercutter guarenteed that they would never sell anything in any case.

So one of my main annoyancees are those preditory players who screw ohers by their listing practices.
I do this all the time, though not on purpose. On my server, for instance, I like to sell Desh at 50 creds each in stacks of five, which is at 250c. But lots of people on my server seem to think Desh is worth prices like 200c each, and try to sell them in stacks of three. So, while leveling a toon with strictly Gathering Crew Skills, I'll pick up somewhere between 200-300 pieces of something like Bronzium and sell stacks of five for 500c, when everyone else is trying to sell stacks of three for 1500c. Best part is, I have two Gathering toons doing the same thing, so I can list double the amount what SWTOR limits to one character and make craptons of money. I take pleasure in filling in pages and pages of material, I like to imagine I'm Mr. Burns or Scrooge McDuck . Sorry.

Personally, I have no idea who the hell is buying my stuff anyway, considering the people that actually need it can pick it up off the ground for free. Maybe it's the guys trying to gouge people. Scavenging and Arch materials are my biggest sellers, followed closely by Underworld Trading.
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asbalana
08.21.2012 , 09:41 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Malles View Post
I do this all the time, though not on purpose. On my server, for instance, I like to sell Desh at 50 creds each in stacks of five, which is at 250c. But lots of people on my server seem to think Desh is worth prices like 200c each, and try to sell them in stacks of three. So, while leveling a toon with strictly Gathering Crew Skills, I'll pick up somewhere between 200-300 pieces of something like Bronzium and sell stacks of five for 500c, when everyone else is trying to sell stacks of three for 1500c. Best part is, I have two Gathering toons doing the same thing, so I can list double the amount what SWTOR limits to one character and make craptons of money. I take pleasure in filling in pages and pages of material, I like to imagine I'm Mr. Burns or Scrooge McDuck . Sorry.

Personally, I have no idea who the hell is buying my stuff anyway, considering the people that actually need it can pick it up off the ground for free. Maybe it's the guys trying to gouge people. Scavenging and Arch materials are my biggest sellers, followed closely by Underworld Trading.
LOL, your second point first. I have to agree and can't figure out who is buying desh and silica and the like. I have on occasion bought a ton of low level mats when I was power leveling a crafting skill simply because it is chaaper (time = money) and easier to do so than send out a 50 to gather the stuff, so the answer may lie with people doing similar things.

I was not thinking of low level mats in my post - the ones that (like the desh, silica, green goo, and so on) are so abundant that you end up constantly filling up your bags as you move around. I usually deal in the higher level stuff that cannot be gathered in large amounts, if at all, as you move around the worlds. The basic source is arch, bio or scavaging missions. I was also not talking about pricing high enough to sell one or two stacks and then retire on Alderaan after buying an estate on the river. Most of the higher level mats trade within a discernable range. It is not hard to get a feel for what the pricing should be over a short period of time. I had in mind the higher level, rarer, and more expensive stuff. If there is a page or two of listings most of which are priced within the normal trading range and someone comes on and lists a page or two at a few credits lower than the lowest auction, then everyone else is dead for the time of their listings.

I think that there is a difference in trying to dump the glut of lower level stuff at any price possible and trying to capture all sales of a specific item at the cost of others.

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PS - As an aside, I think that I am seeing sales of mats (especially at the higher levels) slow down and am starting to wonder if the amount of craftng going on is .essening. Is anyone else noticing this or am I looking at a blip in my own experience on my server?

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Raora
08.21.2012 , 11:21 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Malles View Post
I do this all the time, though not on purpose. On my server, for instance, I like to sell Desh at 50 creds each in stacks of five, which is at 250c. But lots of people on my server seem to think Desh is worth prices like 200c each, and try to sell them in stacks of three. So, while leveling a toon with strictly Gathering Crew Skills, I'll pick up somewhere between 200-300 pieces of something like Bronzium and sell stacks of five for 500c, when everyone else is trying to sell stacks of three for 1500c. Best part is, I have two Gathering toons doing the same thing, so I can list double the amount what SWTOR limits to one character and make craptons of money. I take pleasure in filling in pages and pages of material, I like to imagine I'm Mr. Burns or Scrooge McDuck . Sorry.

Personally, I have no idea who the hell is buying my stuff anyway, considering the people that actually need it can pick it up off the ground for free. Maybe it's the guys trying to gouge people. Scavenging and Arch materials are my biggest sellers, followed closely by Underworld Trading.
Have you tried to do the math? Putting stacks of 5 for 250c each. That is 50 listings at 250c equals 12,500cr. That's 12,500cr!!!! Just search the GTN for Electrum, for example, on average it sells for 800-1200cr per unit but there is always at times some listed for under 500cr. Buy up all those and re list stacks of 20-28 for lets say 900cr per unit. That is 14k profit on average per listing. Multiply this by 50 and you make a minimum of 700k profit. This is just one material I'm speakign of.

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Mayeh
08.21.2012 , 11:41 AM | #35
The Final Fantasy 11 AH was kind of fun to play around on.
  • You could only sell in singles or complete stacks
  • Singles and Stacks had individual listings
  • You could see what the last 10 sales were (seller, buyer, when and price)
  • You could not see the listing prices, you entered what you were willing to pay and if someone listed at or below your bid, you got the item
  • The item with the lowest listing price always sold first
It really made a game out of the AH, you could spend time and find the exact listing price, but it would take an inordinate amount of time. Or you could bid 1 for items to see if someone was listing them a that price.

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Raora
08.21.2012 , 01:34 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Mayeh View Post
The Final Fantasy 11 AH was kind of fun to play around on.
  • You could only sell in singles or complete stacks
  • Singles and Stacks had individual listings
  • You could see what the last 10 sales were (seller, buyer, when and price)
  • You could not see the listing prices, you entered what you were willing to pay and if someone listed at or below your bid, you got the item
  • The item with the lowest listing price always sold first
It really made a game out of the AH, you could spend time and find the exact listing price, but it would take an inordinate amount of time. Or you could bid 1 for items to see if someone was listing them a that price.
I liked the SWG model, you could ACTUALLY differientiate yourself and make the best product and make a killing.

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Malles
08.21.2012 , 06:40 PM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Raora View Post
Have you tried to do the math? Putting stacks of 5 for 250c each. That is 50 listings at 250c equals 12,500cr. That's 12,500cr!!!! Just search the GTN for Electrum, for example, on average it sells for 800-1200cr per unit but there is always at times some listed for under 500cr. Buy up all those and re list stacks of 20-28 for lets say 900cr per unit. That is 14k profit on average per listing. Multiply this by 50 and you make a minimum of 700k profit. This is just one material I'm speakign of.
I make plenty of money on my own without buying up other people's stuff to resell it. At least my way it's affordable to the people that need it and the gougers are buying it up too. So I have more demand
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Sabredance
08.22.2012 , 01:59 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Raora View Post
3. Who are these fools that run around the GTN terminal in circles for an hour non stop? Do they have nothing better to do? Talk about annoying when you are trying to list 50 items 1-2 times a day!
Buy your own GTN.
Shouldn´t be a problem when you are such a big seller.
Love mine every second.
Own GTN + Field Mail Droid on every char made my ingame-life so much more comfortable.

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Raora
08.22.2012 , 10:45 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Sabredance View Post
Buy your own GTN.
Shouldn´t be a problem when you are such a big seller.
Love mine every second.
Own GTN + Field Mail Droid on every char made my ingame-life so much more comfortable.
I'm getting there, dont you need a level 25 legacy?

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joeypesci
08.22.2012 , 11:28 AM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Methoss View Post
people who list items on the market for lower than mats, or lower than selling to vendor.
How is that annoying? Buy the stock, sell it on, profit. Simple.
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