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BW's first big mistake - the Era.

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BW's first big mistake - the Era.

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Darth-Rammstein
08.12.2012 , 03:26 PM | #41
The thing is I absolutely loved kotor and had a great time with the story and the new setting apart from the movies. Now moving along to tor, I don't have that same feeling anymore. This game at times doesn't even look like star wars to me, it looks like any other themepark mmo on the market with an occasional glowing lightsaber to remind me it's star wars. The music in this game could be better, IMO they really should of used alot more of the iconic soundtracks heard from the movies because some of the music in this game is very boring, and I shudder to think about that tune that plays on the fleet.
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08.12.2012 , 03:29 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by dosadnik View Post
That is so untrue IMO OP. A "casual" Star Wars Fan wouldn't care any of those stuff. He wouldn't even distinguish The Original Trilogy from the Prequel one. He wouldn't care that this is set 3000 years before the Battle of Yavin. He probably wouldn't even know when that was. What he would care about is that it is called "Star Wars"; It's a game and it has Lightsabers, the Force and cool looking Bad Guys. What you are describing would more likely fit to a Die Hard Fan of the Original Trilogy that thinks everything other than the Original Trilogy is blasphemy. Do you get what I'm saying? I hope that made sense lol
Yes, I agree completely. "Die Hard Fan of the Original Trilogy that thinks everything other than the Original Trilogy is blasphemy" fits me to a T. It also fits almost everybody I know.

Perhaps it's an age thing. Those of us who grew up watching the Original Trilogy over and over again consider it to be the only "canon". The other trilogy is usually known as "that one with Jar Jar in it, and the whiny emo Anakin", or something to that effect.

I think that population is huge. For example, I work in a bookstore that sells all the Star Wars books, and lots of other original trilogy stuff (bobbleheads, vinyl, etc.). The original trilogy merchandise probably outsells all the other "Expanded Universe" stuff 10 to 1. Everybody wants a Boba Fett bobblehead or a Yoda alarm clock or whatnot, and relatively few people care about the EU stuff. The only exception to this I'd make is for the Clone Wars kids books.


Quote: Originally Posted by Izorii View Post
I kinda agree with the OP. If the game was stronger I would not care but the game has a number of issues which could have been ignored had I felt the game was more star wars episodes IV - VI and less episode 1.
Yeah, I agree with this too. I'd be far more willing to put up with bugs and other problems if I got to go help some Ewoks kick some stormtrooper butt or something.
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Kalfear
08.12.2012 , 03:43 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by SNCommand View Post
SWG was in the original trilogy era and that certainly did not play out better

Personally I think this era was the best choice, things are recognizable, but still removed far enough to have freedom artistically and storywise
exactly

This era is so rich and mostly uncovered that EA had a creative licence to go crazy with it.

The era is fine.
The era is perfect

After SWG, I wouldnt have played anouther Star Wars MMORPG set in Vaders timeline as its all to restrictive and doesnt allow for endless numbers of jedi and sith like Old republic does.

PS: OP im pushing 48 years old (as our most of my friends) and not one of us think limiting ourselfs to original trilogy timeline is the right thing to do!

Trust me, its NOT a age thing, its your thing, dont mix up the two.

There is far more to Star Wars then Vader and even the most casual of casual Star Wars fan now knows this.
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08.12.2012 , 03:45 PM | #44
The era is fine. If they used the classic era they would have to content with Lucas Arts cross-referencing every little bit of content they add against the existing lore and that would really delay any new content even further.

In SWG for example, players never were able to do anything of major consequence that affected the overall story-arch of the classic era. At least in the Old Republic era we can kill characters, etc.
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JacenHallis
08.12.2012 , 03:53 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by DPCummerbund View Post
Perhaps it's an age thing. Those of us who grew up watching the Original Trilogy over and over again consider it to be the only "canon".
Speak for yourself.

I'm 36. I grew up watching Star Wars religiously. I had they toys, I watched the cartoons, I had the "Book and Record" adaptations of the movies, and so on. I wanted to be Han Solo as a kid. When Lucas released the Star Wars SE DVDs for the second time, I bought them even though I already had them because Lucas had included the original theatrical releases as bonus features. I believe that Han didn't shoot first because Greedo never had the chance to shoot second. I believe that Sebastian Shaw belongs in Return of the Jedi as the ghost of Anakin Skywalker. Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi still are my favorite movies of all time.

And I believe that setting any sort of MMORPG in the time period of those movies would be horribly restricting. I played SWG; it was a bad game made slightly better by being Star Wars. But it was too restricting. All the cool stuff from the movies was off limits, because the heroes were destined to do those things.

I also play the Star Wars RPG. My favorite era for that is the Old Republic. The reason for that is because it's pretty much completely open as to what you can do with it. Between TOR and the Ruusan Reformations, there's a period of about 2600 years about which nothing has been written. That's a hell of a blank canvas.

This game is not perfect. It's far from it. And for all the mistakes Bioware has made in this game, the time period isn't one of them.
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RazielHex
08.12.2012 , 04:15 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by DPCummerbund View Post
Perhaps it's an age thing. Those of us who grew up watching the Original Trilogy over and over again consider it to be the only "canon"..
Real Star Wars fans hate Star Wars.

Quote: Originally Posted by dosadnik View Post
Can you please put Spoiler tags around that? I don't think people would appreciate the flashpoints being spoiled for them. Thank you!
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08.12.2012 , 04:29 PM | #47
The Era's great, the way they created it, was WoW with starwars lore.
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08.12.2012 , 05:00 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Tomb-Stone View Post
The era is fine. If they used the classic era they would have to content with Lucas Arts cross-referencing every little bit of content they add against the existing lore and that would really delay any new content even further.

In SWG for example, players never were able to do anything of major consequence that affected the overall story-arch of the classic era. At least in the Old Republic era we can kill characters, etc.
Ah, Now I get it. This is the first explanation that makes sense.

BW: Can we get Darth Vader in the game?
Lucas: No.
BW: Can players run around in an AT-AT?
Lucas: No.
BW: Can we meet Obi-Wan?
Lucas: No.
BW:

And as for whether people like the original trilogy or the Extended Universe and such, read this article, where George Lucas says that he won't bother making a third trilogy because everybody hated the prequel and gets mad when he messes with the original trilogy.
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RazielHex
08.12.2012 , 05:13 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by DPCummerbund View Post
And as for whether people like the original trilogy or the Extended Universe and such, read this article, where George Lucas says that he won't bother making a third trilogy because everybody hated the prequel and gets mad when he messes with the original trilogy.
George Lucas is a great editor.

He's *not* a talented director.

He could do screenplays of, say, Zahn's New Empire series (known as the "Thrawn Trilogy") and that would be great, as long as he never touched a camera.

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Diktat
08.12.2012 , 05:21 PM | #50
SWG was, is, fully SW inmersive. It made you feel a citizen of a galaxy involved in a civil war. The problem was not the era. Mismanagement (same problem we're seeing in SWTOR) and bugs aside, the first bad blow to the game was allow everybody bacame jedi through hologrinding. IN that very moment all world PVP stopped (at least in my server and I don't have reasons to think it was the only one) and the game became an insane hologrinding to unlock the jedi. Something not too bad if perma-death were not removed and Bounty Hunters were not bugged. But perma-death was removed and BHs, as far as I know, never were fixed, so in no time the servers were filled with jedis swinging lighsaber in cantinas and spaceports, not mention that that even broke more PVP because jedi was an alpha class insanely overpowered.

I'm sure the game would do great (if all bug and broken classes were fixed, instead of nerf them) with jedi perma-death and keeping secret the way to unlock jedi or making unique for each player unlock jedi, and never easy. Hologrinding not only was a dumb way to unlock jedi, it was also against lore: Luke never had to open a holocron to become force sensitive. In fact he knew he was FS throug a quest that started with the 2 droids his uncle bought to the jawas. It was clear that that was the way to unlock FS for SWG players: a personal and unique quest hard to get and way harder to complete. We never had that. Well, we had a timid try of that path with the village after CU, but again was more or less the same for everbody and in the end and insane endless grind.

Finally LA forced SOE to revamp the whole game and release NGE making jedi just a class like any other. They simply shoot themselves in the head.

Before CU the game was stable around 300K subs. After CU it dropped below 250K, and after NGE felt under 150K and kept loosing subs 'till the day it was closed. So no, it was not that jedi was not originally in the game because NGE never recovered lost subs and even lost players every year. Were all the bad decissions devs and responsibles (including LA) made based on the idea that their players were mindless kids that wanted swing lighsabers.

Another proof: SWTOR is full of jedis and is incapable of keep a stable player base.
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