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Hizoka
08.13.2012 , 02:10 AM | #101
Quote: Originally Posted by Nyaara View Post
Problem in SwTor are not sub model, is EA. Even with 500k, SwTor would have been grown perfect with Bioware developing but not, EA wanted more. They wanted to touch the sky and lost.
they wanted the 10+million wow once had with a vastly superior IP, but vastly inferior game.

You cannot keep a sub based MMO going when you give everyone the "brass ring." When everyone has everything there is no reason to keep playing. When 5-10% of the population have the best of the best the other 90-95% want it so they keep trying to get it. Wow had that and it got them over 10 million subs, now they do not do it anymore and they have lost more subs then any other american MMO ever had at its peak in the last 18 months.

Its been proven by making the game to where the majority cannot earn everything they keep playing and more and more people want to try for it. Making something where everyone gets everything with little to no effort makes people quit because they get board.

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discosoc
08.13.2012 , 02:18 AM | #102
Quote: Originally Posted by Zwipe View Post
Just curious, who has actually played a F2P mmo on an at least semi-committed schedule? I've played a couple sub-based MMO's that went FTP, and they actually improved a lot over their prior sub-based models (regular content additions, smaller but more productive community, etc.), which is why I have trouble understanding all the F2P bashing.

Maybe I just got lucky in my choices, but how did F2P leave such bad taste in your mouths?
LotRO is a great case study for a F2P conversion, both good and bad. The positive side is that the game population increased quite a bit. That's about the only real positive though.

They have released fairly regular game content since the conversion, but they were releasing regular content before it as well, so that's hard to judge. The main negative aspect of it is how they have progressively made the cash shop more obvious and harder to ignore. You can't go 10 minutes without somehow being reminded that there is a cash shop for you to spend money on.

The latest example is from last month, where they patched in clothing dummies in various towns and outposts that, if clicked on, opens up the cash shop to purchase those cosmetic items. For a game that's biggest strength is the story and environment, it sure does try it's hardest to pull you out of character.

I think the conversion will do better for TOR players though, since it's hard to argue that the game is all that immersive in the first place, with the static environments and all.

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Nippon
08.13.2012 , 02:20 AM | #103
Quote: Originally Posted by Hizoka View Post
they wanted the 10+million wow once had with a vastly superior IP, but vastly inferior game.

You cannot keep a sub based MMO going when you give everyone the "brass ring." When everyone has everything there is no reason to keep playing. When 5-10% of the population have the best of the best the other 90-95% want it so they keep trying to get it. Wow had that and it got them over 10 million subs, now they do not do it anymore and they have lost more subs then any other american MMO ever had at its peak in the last 18 months.

Its been proven by making the game to where the majority cannot earn everything they keep playing and more and more people want to try for it. Making something where everyone gets everything with little to no effort makes people quit because they get board.
Sits back and waits for the WOW fainbois to come in and tell us it still has 11 millions subs.....

And yes I totally agree with you, with SWTOR they tried to keep everyone happy.....And here are some examples.

" I dont want some elaborate, complicated crafting system" ok here you go have a companion to do it all for you.
" I didnt like having to actually earn and build my ship in SWG " cool, here have one for free and a really easy to access space system...
" I dont want to be forced to do PVP " Sweet, here have some War Zones you can join when you like
" I dont like having to think when questing " Great, here we will guide you all the way....

And what did we get, an easy no brain MMO that a monkey can play, with no Crafting, no space, no actual achievement and a PVP system that is the worst in any MMO ever made.

Sorry what was that, you think SWTOR is awesome and its really hard....Yes you are the monkeys EA want, soon they will give you some more peanuts.

How can they fix it......

Make crafting similar to SWGs....
Make Space the same as SWG's....
Make raiding a 4 tier system so the people that want hard content get it, and get rewarded for it....
Make the game Socially friendly...

My opinion is SWTOR catered to the Easy brigade, the players that don't want difficult systems.....Dont want to earn actual crafting, space, pvp achievements, or put any real effort into the core of the game......And that is exactly what they got.......

Everyone that likes challenges has left this game.....Because frankly it has NONE.
Feel free to use my referal link : http://www.swtor.com/r/thgh8R

SWTOR has lost its identity:

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Hizoka
08.13.2012 , 02:21 AM | #104
Quote: Originally Posted by Nippon View Post
Sits back and waits for the WOW fainbois to come in and tell us it still has 11 millions subs.....

And yes I totally agree with you, with SWTOR they tried to keep everyone happy.....And here are some examples.

" I dont want some elaborate, complicated crafting system" ok here you go have a companion to do it all for you.
" I didnt like having to actually earn and build my ship in SWG " cool, here have one for free and a really easy to access space system...
" I dont want to be forced to do PVP " Sweet, here have some War Zones you can join when you like
" I dont like having to think when questing " Great, here we will guide you all the way....

And what did we get, an easy no brain MMO that a monkey can play, with no Crafting, no space, no actual achievement and a PVP system that is the worst in any MMO ever made.

Sorry what was that, you think SWTOR is awesome and its really hard....Yes you are the monkeys EA want, soon they will give you some more peanuts.
even Blizzard admited they are under 9 million...

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Nippon
08.13.2012 , 02:30 AM | #105
Quote: Originally Posted by Hizoka View Post
even Blizzard admited they are under 9 million...
Thta wont stop them dragging the 11 million up
Feel free to use my referal link : http://www.swtor.com/r/thgh8R

SWTOR has lost its identity:

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bahdasz
08.13.2012 , 02:46 AM | #106
Let's face it, they stand to make a LOT of money off F2P. Look at the Clone War Adventures... for me it's a nice free place to go kill some time on minigames, I even met a few cool people in there. But all in all that game is just a social gathering, it's not a group combat RPG type thing. They have a huge online store that sells stuff for credits that you buy off the SOE store, but none of it means anything. Seriously, it's furniture for a room that you had to also buy, and pets that do nothing and weapons and armor that are simply just for looks.

And they are making a freaking fortune on that stuff. When I log in all I see is people standing around in gear from the shop. Not in the free gear, not in the gear you get with the money you pick up from playing the daily games and floating cash spawns, in gear purchased with cash money. In that game the weopons and armor and clothing are just for looks, they do nothing, they have absolutely not bearing on your gameplay, and they are selling it by the tons.

Do you really think that BioWare isn't drooling over a new Cartel store where thy can sell armor and weopons and mods that actually do have an impact on your gameplay? Heyo buddy, they're catching it in buckets.

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Draksen
08.13.2012 , 03:01 AM | #107
Quote: Originally Posted by Blattan View Post
January + 6 months + 2 free months (one with the game, one for having a level 50) = August.
I know this has been spelled out on these forums before. By the very same posters you harass and call troll.

Did you grasp it this time, hotshot?
And still, you'll be here next month, preaching the same apocalyptic prophecies. And the month after.
Doomsayer trolls are like that, you cant change yourself.
And dont even try to pretend you're something else, Mr I pay for a game and post in the forums of a game I dont like.
Entertaining at least
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Khraizin
08.13.2012 , 04:05 AM | #108
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
I'm a bit amused by how binary some people's thinking is on the matter of F2P. In no other business is a transition from a less profitable model to one which increases both customers and profit considered a failure, except with certain gamers who are weirdly invested in the failure of certain games.
Putting an MMO that didn't do well on a subscription service into a Cash Shop system isn't improving anything, it's more like putting the game on life support. People talk like this because we've all seen this before, more often than not, what follows is sad and depressing. And this is almost assured for a game like this, where the inherent problems had nothing to do with the subscription, but with the quality of the content. Quality that will continue to suffer should a Cash Shop be implemented.

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belizar
08.13.2012 , 07:28 AM | #109
Quote: Originally Posted by Draksen View Post
And still, you'll be here next month, preaching the same apocalyptic prophecies. And the month after.
Doomsayer trolls are like that, you cant change yourself.
And dont even try to pretend you're something else, Mr I pay for a game and post in the forums of a game I dont like.
Entertaining at least
why ? are we geting more free months for subing for 6 months ? in the next few days the 6month subs are up then this forum will be alot more boring to read :P

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MasterKayote
08.13.2012 , 08:03 AM | #110
Cash shop... simple as that.

I dont want content being restricted or sold to me over and over and showing up on my mailbox. It cheapens the entire experience. I pay for the game to play it and grow/customize my character by playing it. If I want anything, be it more bank slots or a fancy social hat, I want to play the game to get it not buy it at a store and simply pick it up at a mailbox. To me its a slap in the face to see something I like in-game look it up so I can get it myself ... only to find its only available at a cash shop. Then even if I do buy it, it just gets handed to me at a mailbox ....... where is the fun in that?!? No ... just no!

Thats just my main reason. The others have veen mentioned here already regarding the quality of the content, the favoratism towards the cash shop, and the "we give up" message it brings when a game converts. That and Ive reached a new level of disgust towards EA ... they will not be recieving another dime from me past my last month in SWTOR ever again.