(keep it civil) What let you down most about TOR?

^Exactly

It's another trinity game. I almost didn't try it because of that.

Lightsabers connecting like whiffle bats. Combat is too much like Wow and not enough like any single player game. Sure my sent or guardian can kill fast but how many times has he connected with an enemy target? Way too many. Blasters should also do more damage but be more blockable.

I agree that Esseles/BT are almost the only instances of their kind and that was disheartening - I kept hoping as I went into new instance after new instance... what are social points again?

No flying mounts. Maps are too small and too low to even support them.

Terrain mazes. Seeing where I want to go on my mini-map but not being able to get their because of an incline or series of rocks without going way around is not entertaining. Most mmos abandoned that design approach years ago.

The Space Game - STO has one (far lower budget), SWTOR does not.

Companions - i like having them for group fillers and for the stories and the crafting dynamic, I don't like needing them for the epic solo fights in the class stories; I remember being jarred when my knight lost his fight to Bengal Mor (lvl 8ish) until he figured out that he needed R2-D2 (T7) to tank (of all things) for him.

No decent group finder was a minus - many fps went unvisited when I would haveliked to. I still think they need x-server.

No x-server pvp or pvp with level brackets. Bolstering not horrible but a cheap mechanic and it didn't work with 50s fighting non50s.

No arenas.

Armor and defense and shields are so useless in so many pvp situations.

Way too much CC in pvp.

Jedi knights are a strength-based wow warrior rip off that can't use the big sabres or two sabers (or blasters for thst matter) without being a specific class - did the devs watch the trailers for this game (or any SW movie)? Classes in general are way too focused and restrictive.

Hood up brown or white robes or very weird pvp armor for jks - still seems baffling.

I like SWTOR and will keep playing until something better comes along but that's my short list of disappointments.

600,000 to 700,000 active accounts with ~500,000 or less paying and playing accounts IMO. If they'd had 800,000+ active acounts they'd have said "almost 1 million" I think rather than "above 500,000 and under 1m".

I can't see why they'd go F2P with almost 1,000,000 active accounts, the only way F2P makes sense is if they are terrorfied about not breaking even with 500,000 active accounts.



Yeah the colour match is good, but it really needs a dye system too.

I dunno what they were thinking with a lot of gear, the strange thing is a lot of the lower green gear looks great, but there's no orange equiverlent.


Different levelling paths would help this, at least 2 per faction.

Expanding the breadth of end game would help a LOT, especially if they could do something to innovate the daily quest model..... it was boring when it first appeared 6+ years ago and it really hasn't got any better with age.

"Although it launched well, subscriptions have been on a declining trajectory and have now slipped below 1 million. Last year we announced that the breakeven point was roughly 500,000 subscribers. While we are well above that today, that is not good enough."


To me that appears to be in the 800-900k subscription range since they they've only recently "slipped below" 1 million and still "well above" 500k. I could be wrong though.

What annoys me most right now is those small (or not so small) graphical issues and bugs, which are here for a very long time. Speaking about hood- and mask-head clipping, big butt robes, companion's melee weapons turned on all the time, red colored chestpieces are shown brown everywhere but in curscenes or on companions and so on. Second issue on my list is long loading screens and badly optimized engine. Third one is lack of things to do for PvE player on max level.

This. Also, lack of even a hairstylist in game. If they try to make me pay real money (or my 'stipend' per month) just to change hair color and style, that's asinine. Even LotRO has an in-game accessible hairstylist that can change color and style. And I use it every now and again, because just like in the real world, I get sick of the same hair, if nothing else. I wouldn't mind some kind of option to let us change to some things we unlock later via Legacy, either. Even though I don't play one, there's plenty of Cyborg players that would have to reroll just to get some of the other looks...after they already slogged through to 50. Defeats the point a bit, especially if you want to spread your 8 slots out and not use them on several of one race. Lack of nice looking gear also falls under this. I've looked at some of the stuff for PvP and endgame on the vendors. While I'm into neither aspect of gameplay, the looks on the armor certainly aren't doing any wonders to induce me into it. Also: hood down option for Jedi, hood up for my Marauder, please? Soonish?

Also this. (I'm just going to steal most of your post, as I just sat there going 'Yep. Yep. True.' through most of it.) I remember getting incredibly frustrated and antsy around level 40 on my first char to 50, which was my Sage. Frustrated enough that it actually sparked a few arguments between my boyfriend and I as we duoed. Some of the bonuses drag on far too long, and are scattered all over the map. Add this to the issue of having to go the long way around because a rock or wall is in your way (I'm looking at you: Taris, Corellia) and it makes it worse. Honestly, just up the main exp reward and do away with the longer bonuses. Especially the multistage ones. They take forever if you're solo. This has gotten especially bad 40+ especially late 40's, as since I'm an Agent and

And this. It's 'easy' in that it can be done alone, perhaps. I suppose the die hard old EQ and FFXI people would see that as 'easy'. As a former long term FFXI player, I couldn't care less about that. It's not easy when you're solo, when you're playing one of the lower performing classes or specs, and when you don't keep up every couple of levels with blues on your meatshield/healer NPC and yourself. Easy, if you've got a guild, or your server's economy actually has things on the AH. If neither apply, it makes the slog take even longer. It's taken me so long to go from 40-50 on my Sniper that I'm remembering why I took a several month (still subbed) hiatus after I finished my Sage. It gets old. Repetitive. Boring. If the Legacy bonus for Class Quest exp equaled to a 100% total bonus when all five were bought, it might help. Because once you've done these side quests once, you've seen them. I would infinitely prefer being able to do mostly the class quest, and just a few side quests per world on later alts. I want to see the stories to so many more classes, but unless my boyfriend (and only remaining person I know playing) is leveling with me, it becomes such a boring trawl that I'm not so sure I'll bother. It's especially bad when you're playing a very interesting class story, and you just want to see what happens next, but you end up with a several hour lull while you do meaningless side quests just to keep your level up.

On that note, if nothing else, one should be able to be on level, or slightly ahead by 100% the solo, non-bonus series content per world. It seems this is the case... up until about Tatooine. After that I had to backtrack to every Bonus series there was, except Voss, because I just wanted to see the end of my story. End result? 1/2 level to go until 50 and done with Corellia. Now it's back to Voss, I guess, before I can finish my final class quests. Sitting around shouting for Heroics that most people don't bother to do, even on their first 50, is just slowing you down further. I would also like to be able to leave the Bonus series' so that I can spread them out between characters to add at least a little variation in their leveling paths, but as is, without doing Heroics or FPs (sorry, overtuned, annoying mechanics give me migraines and I stop doing them after Mandalorian Raiders or thereabouts) you end up behind more often than not. And at least in my case, even geared my NPC tanks aren't that great. Add a level or two disparity and it's almost monitor defenestration time.


Edit: Because my browser thought posting before I was done was cool.

What most let me down?

1. The hype. It's a good game, but it gets a little old hearing "we have awesome, great, fabulous stuff coming soon" and either it hasn't materialized in any sort of "soon" manner or it's really not all that awesome. They'd do better to lower expectations and then blow people away with how awesome it ACTUALLY is.

2. Lack of dynamic worlds. No night/day. No weather. The Jedi Council is never in session unless you're on a mission, nor is the Senate. The rakghoul event had me hoping that we'd have more regular world events (I believe there were dev comments made about that - see #1) but as popular as it was we haven't seen anything since then.

3. Lack of fun stuff. No sittable chairs, no mini-games, nothing to drink or eat, no way to customize your ship. Your options are kill stuff, send companions on missions, and post stuff on the gtn. The "we've added hidden pets, etc" hints were a lot of fun and really well done; there should be more of those, but I haven't seen any in quite some time.

4. End of the story. Heck the end-game loading screen is even titled "Interlude." End-game is where we spend the vast majority of our time, and it's just a pause button before the "real" story gets started again. Companion stories end, class stories end, world stories end. Really the only way to alieviate this is with small, regular content updates...wait, that's what was promised...see #1.

If they are 800K-900K why hey didn't say "we're well above 800K". Sounds way better than "we're well above 500K", specially to investors and press who are not fanboys than want to believe that cows has wings and can fly. They are smart people and they know what "under 1M but well above 500K" means: Subs between 500K-600K and dropping.

I still think they'd have said "just under that" if they were, and I can't see why they'd F2P with 800,000+ active accounts (considering the huge negative PR hit F2P is).

Although I suppose losing 400,000 6 to 3 months ago and another 400,000 to 500,000 in the last 3 months might well have paniced them into it too, I dunno.

Because 800-900k isn't "well above 800k" as you say. But it is "well above" 500k and just under 1 million as they said in the earnings call.