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BW Bait and Switch


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Durasturan
08.04.2012 , 03:17 PM | #1
Let's review some examples of bait and switch by BW

1.2 Ranked WZ are announced to be in the game. Many many many pvpers resub for this sole purpose.
The night before they are set to be in the game, RWZ are pulled from the notes and there is a brief explanation that they will not be in. People leave in droves over it.

There is a survey circulating showing that BW is wanting to sell different gaming packages including new content, speeders etc, it shows different pricing models. We are calmly reassured that the content in question WILL NOT be charged for.
Now that same content they say may or may not be charged for, it is uncertain and it depends on WHEN the content comes out in relation to f2p and cash shop.

HK was in the game during Beta and pulled, he functioned 100% and there was no explanation as to WHY he was pulled.
5 months later it is announced that he is "finally ready" and will be in the game "soon." Two months after that it is announced that they have no idea when he will be in the game but that it is possible he will be delayed until after f2p goes live and we will be charged for him.

Content is promised to be released every single month. We've gotten two content patches in 8 months and the next content patch has no release date and may cost us extra money.

Open world PVP is heavily advertised and marketed telling us about how we're going to participate in enormous battles. It is broken, they pull it from the game and then tell us they are going to "fix it" they have yet to do anything with it.

The "secret space project" has been in the works for 7 months, there is absolutely NO information, not even leaked info on what it actually is and when or even IF it is coming, this is despite it being the number one priority as stated by devs.

Now I genuinely love this game, it's the best MMO I've played so far, and I love the Star Wars IP and have no plans on quitting (as of now)

But honest question. Is it possible for us to believe ANYTHING this developer says when it comes to their future plans?

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DarkZeron
08.04.2012 , 03:19 PM | #2
No you cannot.
You have failed me for the last time Admiral Bioware!

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Tuscad
08.04.2012 , 03:20 PM | #3
If you don't believe a thing that they say you will be much happier in the long run if it is implimented or it won't hurt you when it isn't.
Date Joined: March 2009 - Date unsubbed: 9/18/2012
It's been real but the game just wasn't worth the sub for me anymore.
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Durasturan
08.04.2012 , 03:22 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by DarkZeron View Post
No you cannot.
I wonder if they think anyone actually believes any of their statements any more? I've seen a fair amount of arrogance from many devs recently, so it's entirely possible they think they have us "hoodwinked," still.

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Redat
08.04.2012 , 03:27 PM | #5
Anyone with any grey matter can see that EA/BW will squeeze every dollar out of the F2P model, after all, they WILL lose subs.............Do not expect them to come down on your side when they could be making cash, they will drop for the cash every time....they are NOT our friends.

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DarkZeron
08.04.2012 , 03:28 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Durasturan View Post
I wonder if they think anyone actually believes any of their statements any more? I've seen a fair amount of arrogance from many devs recently, so it's entirely possible they think they have us "hoodwinked," still.
I am pretty sure that arrogance was just an act to cover their failure.
You have failed me for the last time Admiral Bioware!

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Soluss
08.04.2012 , 03:51 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by DarkZeron View Post
I am pretty sure that arrogance was just an act to cover their failure.
No, they were arrogant in Beta too.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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DarkZeron
08.04.2012 , 03:54 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
No, they were arrogant in Beta too.
That may be actually a true arrogance
You have failed me for the last time Admiral Bioware!

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Anthonytats
08.04.2012 , 04:04 PM | #9
There can always be some unexpected glitches or bugs that cause stuff to happen.
Thats why you should never believe anything will be in the game until it actually is.

Also, WZs being pulled a day before? I thought it was like a week or 2?
If anyone rejoined purely for the WZs maybe they should go to a game actually catering for PvP gamers? This isnt it...

The secret space project is just that. Secret. What happens if they say "We have 3D Space coming in december etc" and then have to push it out into later months? People get butthurt and start ranting how they are stealing our money and deceiving us.
Its just easier for them not to say anything about a release day but then people start making up pointless rumours that just make everyone all annoyed and frustrated about nothing.

Until i hear definitive proof from BW that stuff (HK) is going to have to be bought etc, i just ignore all the ToR Haters/F2P Haters and others that just have issues and want to ruin the game for others.

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Durasturan
08.04.2012 , 04:16 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Anthonytats View Post
There can always be some unexpected glitches or bugs that cause stuff to happen.
Thats why you should never believe anything will be in the game until it actually is.

Also, WZs being pulled a day before? I thought it was like a week or 2?
If anyone rejoined purely for the WZs maybe they should go to a game actually catering for PvP gamers? This isnt it...

The secret space project is just that. Secret. What happens if they say "We have 3D Space coming in december etc" and then have to push it out into later months? People get butthurt and start ranting how they are stealing our money and deceiving us.
Its just easier for them not to say anything about a release day but then people start making up pointless rumours that just make everyone all annoyed and frustrated about nothing.

Until i hear definitive proof from BW that stuff (HK) is going to have to be bought etc, i just ignore all the ToR Haters/F2P Haters and others that just have issues and want to ruin the game for others.
RWZ we're pulled 11 hours before before the patch so it was technically less than half of one day.
And this has NOTHING to do with timetables or bugs popping up. This has to do with a company living up to its committments. If they tell us they are going to roll out content "month and after month" and then we get two content patches in nearly 9 months, well that tells you something.

When they pull content such as Ilum, HK, and RWZ without giving us any details on when we can expect them or how they are improving them much less WHEN. It also tells you something.

When their "secret space project" is so secret they can't even tell us WHAT they are doing, much less when we can expect it, you have to ask yourself a simple question. If no one knows what it is how can they be sure we'll like it?

This all goes back to a lack of communication and a general distrust of communication. You'd THINK that if they are really doing so much work to overhaul space combat that it takes them the better part of a year to implement, then they would be garnering player input and feedback and beta testing it out, but the fact that they haven't even TOLD us much less shown us, much less asked for any comments on their projects leads me to believe that they either:
a. Don't care what we want
b. Don't trust us to give good feedback
c. are doing things they KNOW we won't like