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MoniTOR and the Assassin


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Xethis
08.03.2012 , 03:02 PM | #1
I was recently introduced to the new MoniTOR add on that does a very nice job at giving you real time data on dps/healing/threat. It is very sexy. So I spent about 350k on respecs to find the best spec and rotations to see how the main specs that are utilized today compare to each other. All of these parses where done several times over a 3 min period, also keep in mind that my gear is not the best so I am sure some of you can do way better than I did.

Pure Madness 5-3-33 and only utilizing shock when Recklessness was active I put out a pretty consistent 1300-1350 dps.

As Darkness 31-0-10 I was putting out only 950-1050 dps. It was pretty surprising to see how bad Force Lightning did when Recklessness was not active. I Shocked on every Energize and only used Force Lighting when I had 3 stacks of Harnessed Darkness. I am sure this spec would perform a bit better in real scenarios given that Wither and Discharge would be hitting additional targets.

Darkness/Madness hybrid 23-1-17 did quite a bit more damage than full darkness, but still falling a bit behind full Madness. I was able to do 1150-1250 dps consistently.

Sooksters Mad Maul 3-13-25 (slight variation of his spec) did very well putting out 1250-1400 dps. Those Mauls were hitting really hard thanks to Unearthed Knowledge. If you don't mind being squishy this spec is really fun. Lots of dmg.

With Dark Maul 23-15-3 I saw some good and bad things. If you were just Thrashing for Energized Shocks and only using Maul on Exploit Weakness procs I was only hitting 1000-1100 dps, which is still slightly better than full Darkness. When I just spammed Maul only filling with Saber Strikes I was doing 1100-1200 dps, catching up to the 23-1-17 hybrid. And lastly parsing just the opener of the Dark Maul spec (12 sec of Dark Embrace) I was averaging 6 Maul attacks. When I went 0/6 Maul crits I was still doing 1000-1100 dps. The best I saw (got a nice Exploit Weakness proc at the end) I went 5/7 Maul crits and was over 1800 dps. On average though I went 3/6 Maul crits putting out 1450 dps over the 12 seconds.

Now this is how I saw these specs comparing to each other on pure damage. When deciding which one is best for you keep in mind they all offer some uniqueness with survivability, utility and burst.

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Grogget
08.05.2012 , 08:26 AM | #2
Interesting. If you don't mind testing one more spec, I would ask if you could try seeing how well the 0/13/28 Arika build performs in terms of DPS. I tend to respec that when I go into raids as a DPS since the high internal damage + bonus damage from Unearthed Knowledge does wonders, but is very squishy.
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Rhaphael
08.06.2012 , 02:27 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Grogget View Post
Interesting. If you don't mind testing one more spec, I would ask if you could try seeing how well the 0/13/28 Arika build performs in terms of DPS. I tend to respec that when I go into raids as a DPS since the high internal damage + bonus damage from Unearthed Knowledge does wonders, but is very squishy.
I find simulationcraft better to test specs with since it determines the max theoretical dps you can achieve. Then using MoniTOR or another parser to test it in the field. Unless you are an expert in every spec imaginable you will need to use something for a while to get used to it before you can achieve maximum dps.

According to simulationcraft the theoretical dps ranking with my current gear (full BH) is this:

1841 dps 5/5/31 Madness (+shock)
1830 dps 5/5/31 Madness (-shock)
1730 dps 5/13/23 Mad Maul Deception/Madness hybrid
1658 dps 8/31/2 Deception
1631 dps 0/13/28 Arika Deception/Madness hybrid
1366 dps 23/1/17 Darkness/Madness "pvp" hybrid
1282 dps 23/15/3 Dark Maul Darkness/Deception hybrid

This was simulating a 5 min fight using all 4 class buffs, exotech resolve stim and no adrenal (because the timing of usage is too crucial to simulate). This only simulates max theoretical dps, it does not take into account any utility which some of the lower dps specs excel in (and were created for).

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Rynis
08.07.2012 , 09:47 AM | #4
Cool info! Thanks guys :]
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Morteficare
08.07.2012 , 11:22 AM | #5
IM the noob here so what rotation did you guys use for each spec?
Its so easy to lvl so you arnt forced to lern proper rotations.

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Hvezdy
08.08.2012 , 11:43 AM | #6
Id rather ask what stance is used in that dark maul specc. As it has talents for both Surging(Induction) and Lightning (+20% DoT damage).

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Rhaphael
08.09.2012 , 03:33 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Hvezdy View Post
Id rather ask what stance is used in that dark maul specc. As it has talents for both Surging(Induction) and Lightning (+20% DoT damage).
It uses Dark Charge. The talent Induction is only taken for the Maul crit damage bonus. It is discussed in this thread.

Or do you mean the Mad Maul spec? That uses Lightning Charge and has Induction for the same reason. As discussed here.

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Xethis
08.10.2012 , 04:39 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Rhaphael View Post
I find simulationcraft better to test specs with since it determines the max theoretical dps you can achieve. Then using MoniTOR or another parser to test it in the field. Unless you are an expert in every spec imaginable you will need to use something for a while to get used to it before you can achieve maximum dps.

According to simulationcraft the theoretical dps ranking with my current gear (full BH) is this:

1841 dps 5/5/31 Madness (+shock)
1830 dps 5/5/31 Madness (-shock)
1730 dps 5/13/23 Mad Maul Deception/Madness hybrid
1658 dps 8/31/2 Deception
1631 dps 0/13/28 Arika Deception/Madness hybrid
1366 dps 23/1/17 Darkness/Madness "pvp" hybrid
1282 dps 23/15/3 Dark Maul Darkness/Deception hybrid

This was simulating a 5 min fight using all 4 class buffs, exotech resolve stim and no adrenal (because the timing of usage is too crucial to simulate). This only simulates max theoretical dps, it does not take into account any utility which some of the lower dps specs excel in (and were created for).
Not sure what rotation your theoretical parser uses for Dark Maul, But I found that just using Saber Strike and Mauls were more dps than using Thrash/Shock and Maul on Exploit Weakness. Also, was wondering if you could parse Dark Maul just during that 12 sec opener (using Black Out to increase length of Dark Embrace)? I was getting almost 2k dps for that 12 seconds. Not bad for an opener that does not need buffs or procs to set up.

Also I did not see you rank 31-0-10? Other than that your ranking looks to be on par with what I got, only with much higher numbers. I have yet to see or hear about any Assassin pulling 1800 dps on anything. Granted my gear is not as good as yours, but I am in Rakata. Your pulling almost 500 more dps than I was.

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Xethis
08.10.2012 , 04:48 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Grogget View Post
Interesting. If you don't mind testing one more spec, I would ask if you could try seeing how well the 0/13/28 Arika build performs in terms of DPS. I tend to respec that when I go into raids as a DPS since the high internal damage + bonus damage from Unearthed Knowledge does wonders, but is very squishy.
I have been working pretty long hours the last week so I have not been able to get on our forums or in game, but I will do this for you tomorrow. Arika's spec just trades a couple talents around. 0-13-28 uses Creeping Death instead of Charge Mastery or Thrashing Blades. 30% crit on Death Field and Discharge dot, for 3% crit increase and 18% damage increase on Discharge dot as well as 6% on Thrash which is already increased quite a bit from Unearthed Knowledge and Claws of Decay. I am very excited to see what the outcome is.

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murshawursha
08.10.2012 , 09:28 AM | #10
What deception rotation is hitting 1600+ DPS?