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Tank Swaps are Unnecessary for Firebrand and Stormcaller.

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Tank Swaps are Unnecessary for Firebrand and Stormcaller.

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CitizenFry
08.02.2012 , 08:38 AM | #21
Seems like you would want your Shadow tanking Stormcaller, since he would have better elemental resistance?
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08.02.2012 , 12:36 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Typeslice View Post
Greater risk of cleaving the raid with a bad switch. Worst case onthe dps taunt is you have to heal through an IA.
There is no risk of a cleave. No one should be standing in between the tanks. Even if you didn't switch, they should be standing on the outside anyway because it is closer to where the shield generators spawn.
Quote: Originally Posted by dominius View Post
For the person who thinks this requires more coordination than tank swapping... wow, I'm glad I don't have to raid with you. Also, if your tanks are having trouble holding threat that far into the fight, your tanks are awful.
Could you actually provide reasons why your method is superior, rather than insulting me like a child? I never said that threat was an issue, I just said that threat generation was better. Also, what is so complicated about tab+taunt+leap? It requires no communication, and requires a fraction of a second to execute.
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08.02.2012 , 03:22 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by BlastingGravy View Post
Could you actually provide reasons why your method is superior, rather than insulting me like a child?
Yes, I could. See below for some...

Quote: Originally Posted by BlastingGravy View Post
I never said that threat was an issue, I just said that threat generation was better.
You justify your strategy choice because it has higher threat generation and then admit threat is not an issue. Ummm... okay.

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Also, what is so complicated about tab+taunt+leap? It requires no communication, and requires a fraction of a second to execute.
Nothing is complicated about that but some of us (yourself not included obviously) know that 1/3 of the tanking classes in the game do not have a leap. Also, you seem to fail at simple addition. The global cooldown is 1.5 seconds and you described two abilities on the global cooldown. Last I checked 3 seconds is greater than "a fraction of a second".

By the way, you could have just said: "We only use PT/Jugg tanks and have never done 16-EC HM so tank swapping works better for us in 8-Ops when we can't rely on always having a DPS with a taunt." Tank swapping is a perfectly viable strategy in that situation. You would have seemed quite sensible and not unintelligent had you simply said that. Hindsight is 20/20 though.
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08.02.2012 , 03:37 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by ArchangelLBC View Post
We just have a shadow tank Firebrand >.>

Shadow vanishes for the first, third and fifth Incinerates and taunts back after the cast onto a DPS, uses resilience and deflection on the second and fourth Incinerates. (actually I think our other shadow tank just uses resilience for all of them).

No off taunting required, no tank swapping required. Yes I'm talking about Hard Mode.
That's dangerous if not timed properly. Much better to control who he is going to turn to.
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08.02.2012 , 03:40 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by BlastingGravy View Post
There is no risk of a cleave. No one should be standing in between the tanks. Even if you didn't switch, they should be standing on the outside anyway because it is closer to where the shield generators spawn.

Could you actually provide reasons why your method is superior, rather than insulting me like a child? I never said that threat was an issue, I just said that threat generation was better. Also, what is so complicated about tab+taunt+leap? It requires no communication, and requires a fraction of a second to execute.
We have tanks on the outside.
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08.02.2012 , 04:24 PM | #26
oops replyed to wrong person
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08.02.2012 , 04:27 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by BlastingGravy View Post
Minimal is still greater than zero, but I suppose the difference is negligible.

I still prefer switching for the increased damage, since there are no benefits to avoiding the switch.
How does a shadow tank swap tanks? We have no leap which i think is a real problem. If vanguards can doit and Guardians can doit why not shadows? Dont say we got pull cause so do Vanguards..
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08.02.2012 , 06:52 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by BlastingGravy View Post
There is no risk of a cleave. No one should be standing in between the tanks. Even if you didn't switch, they should be standing on the outside anyway because it is closer to where the shield generators spawn.
Your DPS will move when you see the different generator spawn sites, so positioning before that, ONE group will always have to 'run'.

As to 'noone' between the tanks.... standing on the outside of tanks puts you at >30m from the 'opposite' tank. This is bad for many reasons. Also, this will insure that all 4 healers will NOT be able to heal the entire Ops group all the time. Again, bad for many reasons, including if you go with 3 heals or new strats.
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08.02.2012 , 09:29 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by ZORG View Post
How does a shadow tank swap tanks? We have no leap which i think is a real problem. If vanguards can doit and Guardians can doit why not shadows? Dont say we got pull cause so do Vanguards..
Well my raid group has two assassin tanks (me being one of them). We just focus target swap and force speed + jump onto the other tank, then taunt.
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ICEMFMIKE
08.03.2012 , 12:48 AM | #30
Here's a little something most of you probably would never think about.

If the tank on Firebrand is an Assassin, he/she can use force cloak or whatever, dropping aggro completely. Leaving a DPS to pick up incinerate, then after it's done being cast, come out of stealth and tank as normal. We do this and it works out nicely.