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Announcing a Free-to-Play Option

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Announcing a Free-to-Play Option
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Asacledhae's Avatar

08.04.2012 , 07:12 PM | #881
Quote: Originally Posted by Mcbeefy View Post
Or remove F2P Ability to use general chat.... now that would help alot.
That would definitely help a lot, especially for new accounts..
I've seen some good games going F2P in my time, and lots of weird players appeared after the F2P feature.. As for haters? There are good examples of players ranting about "Subscribers having it all, cancel subscriptions and give us the whole game", and sadly, they're too many..

The result? Those people "rage quit" as they don't get what they ask for, subscribers "rage quit" cause the freebies are ruining their fun, decent F2P players "rage quit" cause they can't stand the rant, and at some occasions, the community gets divided in half.. About a 1/3 of the community who either sub or play for free and actually wants to play the game, against a 2/3 of a <@#$!?>load of morons who will try to take over the game for themselves..

It's true, the quantity of players will grow, but it's an honest to God temporary feature.. The player database will increase for a couple of months, and then it will drop to the 1/3 of the players we have now in the game.. Trust me..

I am too extreme you may think? Do the math, and when the game goes F2P, you'll find out that i was right.. Don't get me wrong, there are definitely good and sincere players amongst the F2P community, but sadly they are very FEW...

Magathemis's Avatar

08.04.2012 , 08:23 PM | #882
I've had two digital deluxe accounts since Early Access. If this is EA's decision, then so be it -- it's their business and nobody's making me play their game or continue my subscription.

I probably will continue it, at least for a while, until I see the real effect this F2P change has on gameplay. Frankly, I'm too damned old to deal with half of the juvenile crap on General anyway...if it gets worse, I'll pull back to casual solo play. With chat turned off completely.

But honestly, EA/BW, if you don't want a mass exodus of paying subscribers, you'd do well to elucidate early and thoroughly exactly what benefits there are to keeping a subscription. I mean, aside from the ability to purchase in-game vanity items, which as far as I'm concerned isn't anything like incentive enough for me to keep shelling out $30/month. I read on IGN it's to include being able to buy bank slots, unlimited warzone play, and unspecified "high level content." It would be helpful if you guys were a whole lot more clear with the incentives and benefits.

I did read the page with the table listing subscriber vs free. Unfortunately, 'Limited' isn't what I'd call very descriptive for those various categories. e.g., GTN access is limited how? Same with travel. And character creation choices. And so on.


CalebStarkiller's Avatar

08.04.2012 , 11:18 PM | #883
Just because it is free to play now, is not gonna change the story. all it is doing is allowing more people to finally join who have it financially hard. I couldn't preorder this game, and couldn't purchase or subscribe until this past July 6th because I was financially broke as far as having money to spend on myself went. I feel this will allow more people to experience this game and allow bioware to create some very unique things for us subscribers to encourage the free to play members to subscribe to this game. All I can see right now Are positives for this option.
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MySecretWeapon's Avatar

08.04.2012 , 11:39 PM | #884
I personally think it's a great marketing strategy. My only concern is these "boosts" they're talking about. So long as they don't provide any advantage in combat, especially PvP, then I'm all for the new system. And this is coming from a First day Early Launch, full subscriber since day one, CE member who'd going to be banking on points to spend.

Just keep MT's away from combat enhancing boosts, and we're good.
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Harleyquincey's Avatar

08.04.2012 , 11:49 PM | #885
Alright..alright... I feel inclined to post. This usually happens for one of three reasons, this time it is "being too mad at something". But this is not about the decision to go f2p. It is about how the community handles it - as if it was some "last resort" measure.

True enough the subscriptions went from 1.7 to 1.3 millions from what we last know for certain - no big deal, since a game like this is profitable enough around that number for quite a while. Even EA, who are really picky about this kind of stuff, consider SW:TOR to be a success. This is essential all that matters for the dev-based continuation of the game. The publisher is satisfied and therefore there is enough reason to go on financially.

Now comes tackling the community and to make them "stay" and "expand" so the success continues. Only a complete and utter moron would ever have thought SW:TOR "kills" the "Big Bad MMO Out There", that is neither needed nor would I appreciate it (I like my community less whiny, you know..)

For this reason Free-To-Play is a very valid option, one I expected from the beginning on. I was awaiting the day when milking the subscriptions wouldn`t work much longer for good and you know what? I still paid happily. And I will even continue to do so. Because I do not mind "paying the pot" if the results are as fine as they are. I do not mind being taken advantage of slightly here and then if that means this project endures.

The only really important question to answer next will now be "How to handle this" - and I trust in BioWare`s decisions since so far they have been solid and luckily usually ignoring what whiners want. Whiners gonna whine.
Yet they did listen to the needs of the community.. and I would not think they stray from this here. So do make yourself et heard but please.. cut the emo drama crap and get down to facts and if you don`t know much about game economics please just don`t jump to weird assumptions. 1 million subscribers = 13.000.000 euros a month. That is a lot of money to be spent on server costs, customer support and development.

What has to be avoided at all costs is to provide stuff for Cartel Coins which in any way imbalance the game (no faster allocation of credits, no stat increases e.g.). However providing "alternative looks" for weapons and armors for Cartel Coins would be valid for me to spend mine on (since subscribing earns you Cartel Coins anyways). There is one game that did this quite well (even if it did almost nothing else very well) being "Champions Online", that game had one of the best F2P and item-shop systems I saw and it strongly resembles the one we are going to see. You could buy "additional expansions" with the currency there, subscribers got them unlocked for free, but if you wanted some extra-neat outfits or some extra-convenience features (exp boosts e.g.) you could buy them with the currency as well and you also received some of that currency upon a subscription.

To sum it up: My spouse and the rest of our guild will stay subscribed. Enough said.

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Maerdyn's Avatar

08.05.2012 , 01:16 AM | #886
hm, f2p is nice idea but ... I think a lot of goldsellers will come and use /General to sell their gold. I think people with lvl 1-10 should not be able to use general on the imp. fleet station. On starting planet they can but it must be limited with some time between every message. Otherwise, we will need some addon to block spammers :-x
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Kustodial's Avatar

08.05.2012 , 02:39 AM | #887
Quote: Originally Posted by Master-Nala View Post
OK that was funny.
That did make me laugh. As a Sith Assasin robes are hard to find. War Hero gear makes me look like a swamp creature with sticks poking out of me.

Choib's Avatar

08.05.2012 , 03:03 AM | #888
I don't understand why bioware is giving away 90% of the game for free and charging end level loyal players the "privilege" to raid in ops for a few hours a week then be locked out of what they are paying for. doesn't it make more sense to sub for level 1-49 and F2 P 50+ with additional cash shop items? (cosmetic only ofc! never play to win or this game will die instantly).

-watches the servers dwindle in numbers during what was once peak time to less and less everyday with F2P announced- .. sigh. so much artistic and creative dreams crushed under finance mongering from EA.

Drackkor's Avatar

08.05.2012 , 05:20 AM | #889
Reason this game died is when you get to lvl 50 the game is over for your character. Then the game becomes like every other MMO group & raid for better loot. Same old thing different game. What ever happened to the phrase "Story driven MMO"? The majority of people would of been a lot happier with KOTOR 3 at least there could of brought Revan and Exile together to join the Mandlorians and HK 47's army of secret HK's to fight the Sith Empire.

poisun's Avatar

08.05.2012 , 06:09 AM | #890
Quote: Originally Posted by Pigdaddy View Post
F2P till level 50?.

Congrats you've just killed swtor.
i dont think so i have played alot of games that have went F2P and it is nice to play to end level but you find players that pay always have better stuff and you start wanting it to More so in pvp and thats good new for me even more players to world pvp / warzones . also what is killing SWTOR is the lack of content level 50 is so short so im sure a expation to level 75 or 80 and some new races,worlds,classes would boost the game 100% and what i can see the game will add more as time goes on so sit back and enjoy the ride. im sure a man of your skill can kill a undergeared level 50