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Announcing a Free-to-Play Option
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ChanningR
08.02.2012 , 12:05 PM | #741
Quote: Originally Posted by CourtneyWoods View Post
Executive Producer Jeff Hickman addresses the fans about our Free-to-Play announcement:



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Talk about throwing everything, including the kitchen sink, at the problem and hoping something works. The level of pure ignorance it takes to believe that $15 a month is what made players leave is astounding. People left because updates, both content and mechanical, were glacially slow to materialize. Taking nearly a year to recognize that having 200 servers with 6 players on each and no way to transfer to a more populated server is inexcusable! I love this game, i'm a sub and will remain one, because i believe this might be the best mmo adapted franchise EVER! That being said, its the upper management i.e the executive producer, the one who thinks $15 a month is the barrier and the problem, that needs to be shown the door. You lost subs because you took TOOOOOOO long to solve the easiest of problems. I want this game to succeed and remain in production for years, but your current path leads to a dead end. Considering how much money was spent on producing this game its simply sad to see maintaing it and adding content to it and correcting problems takes so long to implement. I hope you guys get your stuff together, cause it really is a great game, only problem is your upper management not understanding what the actual problems are. sad, really sad

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wtrent
08.02.2012 , 12:08 PM | #742
I think there's a couple things to take into account. Launching a game as F2P and converting to F2P after a loss of 1 million suscribers are two completely different things. I've played the game since launch and generally have had a great time. It's pretty amazing to me that a company can muck up a game with so much potential so FAST! The majority of the people I've played with left for the following reasons and myself shortly:

- The game is a WoW clone. Face it.

- No world PVP. This was a big reason. Ilum could not have been more of a disaster. Between the lag and the farming, holy hell. Now it sits a dead planet.

- We can only run the same 4 WZs over, and over, and over. There's never any NEW CONTENT or OPEN WORLD pvp. Yes, I can ride around Ilum randomly finding other players but what the heck is the point? Need some open world pvp with objectives that doesn't suck. See GW2.

- The whole dead server issue that they dropped the ball on, I've had to reroll three times before getting to the Fatman. And then we don't even get to pick where our toons go when they do transfer them. Nice job.

- Legacy perk is stupid.

- Cartel coins can purchase "boosts". Yup, that's P2W. Denying that was like denying the game is going F2P or wasn't losing suscribers by the boat load.

- Ranked WZs. Probably will never get off preseason. How can you rank 5 or 6 teams of 8? That whole thing being delayed over and over was a disaster and honestly is useless. Maybe some cross server PVP WZs? Ridiculous how that has not been implimented yet, there's only a few servers left!

- Content updates are always delayed or a joke.

I'll stick around until GW2 comes out then switch to F2P. Might be back if EA get's their stuff together but judging by it's past - that's a lost cause. So much wasted potential.

**que song "Another One Bites the Dust**

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sithgreyguard
08.02.2012 , 12:09 PM | #743
i blame the players for not sticking it out. hey my class was nerfed too but i stayed. i also blame anyone who left for the hood up down thingy.

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Tuscad
08.02.2012 , 12:25 PM | #744
Quote: Originally Posted by Freyar View Post
Why the hell am I required to give up a Facebook account (of which I have none) to vote on the community choice? I'm CE, been CE since launch, still CE and I can't put in my two-cents on which item I'd like to see? Stop relying on Facebook. Use your own internal accounting systems for this.
^This. People that don't even have the game are able to vote, ***?
Date Joined: March 2009 - Date unsubbed: 9/18/2012
It's been real but the game just wasn't worth the sub for me anymore.
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PhoenixCorvus
08.02.2012 , 12:25 PM | #745
I am not against the idea of a f2p model. Unless the Cartel store offers a blatant advantage in the game (PVP stand point and to a degree PVE). I have plaed MMOs that you have to still pay to keep competitive then I have played ones that I feel have been done right and just offer more conviences and perks.

I hope f2p means just that and not p2w!

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Kypp
08.02.2012 , 12:30 PM | #746
oh how I miss pre-cu swg....wish we could get a star wars mmo taht is an updated version of pre-cu swg sand box style. F2P is the end of this game and wow bores me. I haven't found any mmo that is enjoyable as pre-cu swg was.

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Stogzlol
08.02.2012 , 12:32 PM | #747
Quote: Originally Posted by RiverRaid View Post
don't fool ppl around. If you cancel your sub you will never be able to log into that acc again. You will need to create a new acc. Enjoy gameplay from level zero

ps: not in connection with above: I 've noticed that the more pathetic is avatar, nick and signature - the more pathetic whining and threats to cancel forever and everything connected to swtor and BW
I said "admire," I have no intentions to continue playing. There are a lot of great games out now and on the horizon. I have no problem paying $15 a month for a game, I will pay for multiple if they are worth it. I'm not a 16 year old kid with daddy's limitation of 1 subscription. I work hard for my money and I will spend it on quality entertainment. As others have brought up, $15 is a small price per month. MMO's hold long-term value to me. I know people who buy 2-3 Xbox games per month, even if their games were purchased used, they still spend more than I do on video games. Why waste time and money on this game anymore? Was $15,000,000.00 per month not enough for server maintenance, staff, and EA's publishing costs? That's not including the initial surge from purchasing the game itself and it is also accounting for the decline in subscriptions. It's possible, but not probable. I'm sure a metaphor relating to the Titanic or Hindenburg wouldaccuratly depict the rapid decline already demonstrated.

Second, if they do cut people off from their accounts for unsubscribing and calling it F2P. I can promise you, someone will jump on that lawsuit like a junkie jumps on cocaine. I'll enjoy reading the article about it if that time comes.

Additionally, lets address this "I don't want to sub for end game content only." Are you 12, is it even your money paying for the subscription? I only point this out because your logic is at the level of an 8th grader. What do you currently sub for? I certainly hope it's not the grind to end game content because if that is the case, you can get that for free so the ***** fest about give me this or give me that should be done with. So what is the moral of the story? END GAME CONTENT IS WHAT YOU CURRENTLY PAY $15 A MONTH FOR.

I don't feel anyone is entitled to anything. Has anyone here actually read the user agreements or terms and conditions? I don't know anyone that cares about that ****. I'm sure there is a nice big clause stating how big of a fist they can shove up your *** at a time of their choosing. Get over it, you got what you paid for while you paid for it and you will continue to get something. I'm not aware what comes in this surprise package, but I look forward to anyone but myself finding out what's in it.

If the game is something comparable to a religious relic you're willing to worship, then I understand your pain. I don't know if you're aware, but Jedi is a recognized religion in the Military now. While I hope that isn't the case, so be it. If you're upset with the changes, stop supporting them. No one has a gun to anyone's head here (that I know of) saying pay for SWTOR or else. This game will suffer the consequences of this initial decision to go F2P. Will it be enough to turn it into the Hindenburg by tomorrow, no. That doesn't mean you can't stand up for yourself, if you choose to support SWTOR till the flames ignite, I commend you on your dedication. If you *****, gripe and moan about this until the flames ignite, you can probably sleep well at night knowing the trolls fed on your pain for months. If you decide to call it quits now, more power to you, no need to bend over backwards for something that is suppose to be doing just that for it's subscribers.

Those of you that have been here from the beginning, I wish you the best of luck with the future of this game. I had a good run with the game myself. I know the rest of you did at one point too or you wouldn't be on these forums. No one here can predict the future. Concern yourself with your own future, if this game does continue to decline to P2W or begins to concern itself more with the F2P player, do you want to be on the same forum complaining about the next problem or do you want to move on while the only money wasted was considerably well spent. All games end sooner or later, it's not the end of the world.

/Rantover

Good luck everyone.

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PlayLoud
08.02.2012 , 12:38 PM | #748
Quote: Originally Posted by wtrent View Post
I think there's a couple things to take into account. Launching a game as F2P and converting to F2P after a loss of 1.7 million suscribers are two completely different things. I've played the game since launch and generally have had a great time. It's pretty amazing to me that a company can muck up a game with so much potential so FAST! The majority of the people I've played with left for the following reasons and myself shortly
Didn't lose 1.7 million. It reached 1.7 million, and is now "well above" 500k, but below 1 million.

Quote: Originally Posted by wtrent View Post
- The game is a WoW clone. Face it.
And WoW was an Everquest clone. I will even go so far as to say WoW looked more like EverQuest, than SWTOR looks like WoW.

Quote: Originally Posted by wtrent View Post
- No world PVP. This was a big reason. Ilum could not have been more of a disaster. Between the lag and the farming, holy hell. Now it sits a dead planet.
I think you are right about this. There are a lot of open-world PvPers out there, and they failed to deliver good open-world PvP. I can't deny this one.

Quote: Originally Posted by wtrent View Post
- We can only run the same 4 WZs over, and over, and over. There's never any NEW CONTENT or OPEN WORLD pvp. Yes, I can ride around Ilum randomly finding other players but what the heck is the point? Need some open world pvp with objectives that doesn't suck. See GW2.
They started with 3 WZs, have added a 4th, and a 5th is coming out soon. The game hasn't been out that long.

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- The whole dead server issue that they dropped the ball on, I've had to reroll three times before getting to the Fatman. And then we don't even get to pick where our toons go when they do transfer them. Nice job.
I wasn't playing when the servers were dead. I played at launch, and after the merges, so I can't comment too much on how bad it was.

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- Legacy perk is stupid.
I disagree. It is a good money sink, and adds non-P2W perks. Fine by me.

Quote: Originally Posted by wtrent View Post
- Cartel coins can purchase "boosts". Yup, that's P2W. Denying that was like denying the game is going F2P or wasn't losing suscribers by the boat load.
Depends on what the boosts are. If it is just an XP boost, That doesn't mean P2W. when I leveled up my Trooper, I was already over leveled for the content I was in. Leveling up faster doesn't grant you many benefits. It certainly doesn't make you uber. If they have special combat buffs that are "real money only", that could be a problem. I don't want to see P2W any more than you do.

Quote: Originally Posted by wtrent View Post
- Ranked WZs. Probably will never get off preseason. How can you rank 5 or 6 teams of 8? That whole thing being delayed over and over was a disaster and honestly is useless. Maybe some cross server PVP WZs? Ridiculous how that has not been implimented yet, there's only a few servers left!
Haven't done ranked WZs, so I can't comment.

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- Content updates are always delayed or a joke.
I disagree. We have gotten content updates for free. The game has only been out 7 months. This is fine.

Quote: Originally Posted by wtrent View Post
I'll stick around until GW2 comes out then switch to F2P. Might be back if EA get's their stuff together but judging by it's past - that's a lost cause. So much wasted potential.
The game isn't perfect, but I am having fun playing.

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This game is VERY far from biting the dust. It still has over 2x as many subs as SWG EVER had.
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PlayLoud
08.02.2012 , 12:39 PM | #749
Quote: Originally Posted by PhoenixCorvus View Post
I am not against the idea of a f2p model. Unless the Cartel store offers a blatant advantage in the game (PVP stand point and to a degree PVE). I have plaed MMOs that you have to still pay to keep competitive then I have played ones that I feel have been done right and just offer more conviences and perks.

I hope f2p means just that and not p2w!
Agree 100%. I wanted the game to stay subscription only, but F2P can work. P2W is unacceptable though.
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wtrent
08.02.2012 , 12:54 PM | #750
Quote: Originally Posted by PlayLoud View Post
Didn't lose 1.7 million. It reached 1.7 million, and is now "well above" 500k, but below 1 million.

[No one knows the exact number but they are well on their way to 500k and dropping. That's why it's F2P. I made the edit, thanks for the heads up.

And WoW was an Everquest clone. I will even go so far as to say WoW looked more like EverQuest, than SWTOR looks like WoW.

Never played EQ can't comment.

I think you are right about this. There are a lot of open-world PvPers out there, and they failed to deliver good open-world PvP. I can't deny this one.


They started with 3 WZs, have added a 4th, and a 5th is coming out soon. The game hasn't been out that long.

They need more WZs if there isn't any open world PVP. The new planet is supposed to deliver this but who knows.

I wasn't playing when the servers were dead. I played at launch, and after the merges, so I can't comment too much on how bad it was.
15 ppl on fleet on a good day.

I disagree. It is a good money sink, and adds non-P2W perks. Fine by me.

Agree to disagree

Depends on what the boosts are. If it is just an XP boost, That doesn't mean P2W. when I leveled up my Trooper, I was already over leveled for the content I was in. Leveling up faster doesn't grant you many benefits. It certainly doesn't make you uber. If they have special combat buffs that are "real money only", that could be a problem. I don't want to see P2W any more than you do.

The legacy perks allow you to level faster. Don't deny this - it will be P2W.


Haven't done ranked WZs, so I can't comment.

You're not missing out.

I disagree. We have gotten content updates for free. The game has only been out 7 months. This is fine.

$15 a month isn't free. 1 WZ added and a loss of world pvp. Plus some random FPs. I'd say we broke even

The game isn't perfect, but I am having fun playing.


This game is VERY far from biting the dust. It still has over 2x as many subs as SWG EVER had.
I don't think so either, I mearly meant 1 more loss sub. The player base is still dropping so who knows when it levels out. F2P is not the answer, probably will stick around 200K total players.