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Announcing a Free-to-Play Option

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Announcing a Free-to-Play Option
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DutchKing
08.01.2012 , 02:07 PM | #581
EA posted
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Last year we announced that the breakeven point was roughly
500,000 subscribers. And while we are well above that today, thatís not good enough.
So, they want more proffit and that is why they change the game to make more $.

They don't take gamers seriously, they only want the cash

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Metalmac
08.01.2012 , 02:09 PM | #582
IF YOU THOUGHT LAG IS BAD NOW, GET READY TO STAND STILL IN FLEET FOR MINUTES!

So unless the Free to Play are on another server we paying customers are paying to get lag.

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Master_Kyle
08.01.2012 , 02:12 PM | #583
It wont be fair for all the people who have been playing and subscribing to swtor ever since december 20! even before that we took our time to beta test your game so it could be perfect, and honestly letting a free to play option will send at least half of the subscribes to WOW or RIFT. IAnd i do not get the cartel points what do thety do?



- Jaggard

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Master_Kyle
08.01.2012 , 02:15 PM | #584
Quote: Originally Posted by Master_Kyle View Post
It wont be fair for all the people who have been playing and subscribing to swtor ever since december 20! even before that we took our time to beta test your game so it could be perfect, and honestly letting a free to play option will send at least half of the subscribes to WOW or RIFT. IAnd i do not get the cartel points what do thety do?



- Jaggard

oh and if you guys go through with it make servers only for F2P ppl so therese not alot of lag for us subscribes the ones who put all that $$ on ur desk.. you guys should let us vote the ppl!!!!


- Jaggard

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Master_Kyle
08.01.2012 , 02:17 PM | #585
Quote: Originally Posted by Kanceer View Post
Any game that goes F2P in the first year = Failure... 150 bucks for the CE all wasted.. I dont want to deal with coins and 12 year olds... So its goodbye.. and no you cant have my stuff, I deleted all 4 of my 50's..

Have fun being STO..
I agree i bought the digital edition and we paid extra money to play and beta tested the game now some little punks are gona come and just piss us off!!!

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NSStember
08.01.2012 , 02:26 PM | #586
Wow....never have so many cried so much over so little.

F2P is the model most MMOs use this day. Didn't kill LoTRO, didn't kill DDO, didn't kill Champions.....the list goes on. Why not wait and see how it plays out before crying "doom and gloom"?

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Sancofa
08.01.2012 , 02:34 PM | #587
When I saw this I just shook my head.

I see no point in paying extra for a f2p game. Just enjoy the free content and move on. Don't be afraid to return that $120 in subscriptions fees back to me when you get the chance. I accept checks, money orders and credit.
I guess I will go back to wow and play panda express because it is the only game in town now. At least now I can play this GW2 and WoW for 15 bucks a month.

Truly disappointed.

Why didn't you guys ask EA for some of that Madden money to keep you afloat?
can you make sword in box light sword so sword come out when opened? then if sword is back after sword, use light saber on box, and saber will be boxed after sword is out.

Sorry my english isn't very good looking

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Vaterwolf
08.01.2012 , 02:35 PM | #588
Well I cant say I am happy about hearing about this. To be honest I am utterly dissapointed. I have been reading the forums, the pro's and cons and I think a lot of the pros are being just rabid fans..but thats ok, their allowed to be.
My major set of fears here are myriad. Bioware stated they were hoping to lure a lot of the alomst 1,000,000 subs they have lost since peak 1.7 mill by this model. What to me they havent thought about is this WHY THEY LEFT!
Sure, they will come back and play...for free..no money for bioware, why would they suddenly start paying for a game that has not changed any of the mistakes that exist for which was the reason they left to begin with??
The game is essentially the same it was, with the same things that are great and the same things that are causing the game to bleed subs like a cut jugular.
Here is what I think the problems are:
The game is totally focussed (and wonderful by the way) for the leveling from 1-50 experience, and thats it. Bioware was and still is totally unprepared, or just plain oblivious to the fact that end game is so lacking that it alone is whats causing the entire game to fail in the manner we are seeing.
Once you get to 50...other than grinding for gear...and then the next tier of gear...and the next...theres nothing meaningfull to do. What are you going to do when you have all the rakata/blackhole gear? Nothing...thats it..your done. PVP is more or less a total joke as well..this is STAR WARS..except...wheres the War?
We have this fishbowl combat of small teams where its a battle is only going to last what maybe 20 mins? Its a small...timed...meaningless objectives and for what? Oh more gear...that once you get all of...you have no more reason to do it. Biowares answer...reroll...ok they have to be completely out of touch to think that was an acceptable answer.
They needed to be prepared for end game. more warzones that we have all already seen a million times and another OP or two (which we will have already seen a million times before 2 weeks are out) simply is not going to cut it. Bioware isnt even putting a decent band aid on the wound much less adressing the cause.
Gear rewards for pvp was a short sighted and no vision method. What surprises me is here they are sister company to Mythic..DAoC and they didnt borrow one single thing from the most highly acclaimed mass pvp system ever done in an mmo. Baffles me.
I had high hopes, I though they would figure this out, reeallly look at the causes and make some very badly needed mega changes.
Meaningfull open world pvp...with a different reward system other than gear, with meaningfull objectives etc would have gone a looooong way with keeping level 50's active and busy. Like taking over planets and whoever has the most planets has a faction wide effect etc etc, the planets each having multiple bunkers with turrets bridges, cities etc etc etc. Somewthing people not what we have now.
The bottom line is the lack of real content (because warzones and an op or two dont cut it) at end game. Now with F2P I am feeling they have given up. We wont now ever see the changes that are needed to get back the almost 1 million PAYING subs or even grow beyond. To me this is like hearing the death knell of what I had hoped to be the greatest game of the decade and now less than 1 year out they throw in the towel and go into more or less mantenance mode. They are giving us another war zone and an op...more of what has shown isnt working.
And dont tell me they have been doing so well..every positive thing you can come up with all I have to do is point at almost 1 million lost paying subs inside the first year after hitting peak.
Bioware..your execs have no idea how to handle an mmo, its players, its community and its future. A lack of vision has been the single key element in taking you to where you presently are. Which last I looked was a huge loss in stock value over this decision in only 24 hours. That means no faith in the product.
end game, end game, end game. And rerolling is never an answer to give your player base.
We need real end game. You want those paying subs back? Then fix the reasons they left to begin with, sure the players might come back, but their money wont. Why would they? The best thing you have is the storyline and now the f2p players can have that and not give you one red cent. Stop with the warzones and ops..make real end game.
I am not hating on SWTOR. I want to see this game outshine all others...man I dream of it. I wanted to be there when it did. Now...I just dont know.

Depressed Fan

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Obsydius
08.01.2012 , 02:43 PM | #589
If you do Operations (most serious players do), it's probably not going to kill your gaming experience... unless everyone sits on the Fleet all day crying about it, instead of running Ops.

Can paying subscribers PLEASE get more character slots per server?
SYD

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DarthTHC
08.01.2012 , 02:47 PM | #590
Quote: Originally Posted by NSStember View Post
Wow....never have so many cried so much over so little.

F2P is the model most MMOs use this day. Didn't kill LoTRO, didn't kill DDO, didn't kill Champions.....the list goes on. Why not wait and see how it plays out before crying "doom and gloom"?
BioWare was once viewed to be on par with Blizzard, whose MMO is still thriving. They were certainly seen as better than Trion Worlds (an upstart).

The IP - Star Wars - is one of the most popular ever in the history of the world.

F2P might be the model for small MMOs. F2P should never have been the expectation given BioWare's pedigree and the SW property. Never.

This move puts BioWare and SWTOR on par with Turbine and LOTRO/DDO. Small, niche player.

Oh how the mighty have fallen.
Human beings see oppression vividly when they're the victims. Otherwise they victimize blindly and without a thought. ~ Isaac Bashevis Singer