Broken Promises or Unrealistic Expectations?

It's a website that covers MMOs...what are they supposed to do...ignore it? The game is a few weeks from coming out, you get more hits by having more GW2 stuff since it is coming out. This very same site was all over the hype train with SWTOR as well. It seems like someone just doesn't like when anything positive is said about a certain game.

No it doesn't mean the combat is going to be fun automatically without a trinity, but lets not pretend that people aren't tired of the same ole stuff...and LoL isn't even a MMORPG game so yeah.

They've actually said that you'd need better synchronization in exploration mode dungeons. So that means you'd have to organize a group of players you trust.

You can get in a FP with 3 other people and do your role and not even talk to them. The difference here is that if I have 4 friends that want to play a DPS we can all play together. There is no possible way this can be done in SWTOR. You have to roll a role just to fit into your guild or guild or group.

Also re-specc/dual spec is not the same. What if that player WANTS to only play as a DPS role? Now he's forced to grind through some FP or OPS because they need a healer. Even if he hates playing the role he will do so for the XP and gear of course.

So why bother with a face-to-face meeting when one post on the forum will give the same amount of non-information? Just post one super-sticky message that says 'we can't talk about anything' and be done with it.

Also it's funny how some people are saying "That's just GW2 hype train...all that stuff..." (yet what have they lied about thus far)

Yet at the same time are defending some of the outright lies Bioware used to hype their game.

Just over 50% is a lot?

I dont know if they are tired of the same ole stuff, are they tired of shooting people on FPS games? And yeah... LoL is a massive online game but its not quite an MMORPG however iti s pretty much the same situation "waiting for a healer/tank" or "waiting for a support/carry" you cant go and play comptetively if you are missing one, however that is not something that is holding the game back .


Why coordinate? you have self heal and the ability to dodge, the classes are self sustainable, why even coordinate, even in the video for gamebraker, they are just pew pewing. Seriously, the people that said Ops were too easy here, I dont know how gw2 is going to keep them playing, if they play at all.

And is having to organize with people something bad now? is having to be a team player bad or something thats holding MMOs back? Hell even in sport everyone is supposed to play a role, even if we go beyond sports, things like work and even war you have to organize and every has a role to play. Ok, great, GW2 is accomodating the childish player that says "Derp I want DPS only, Healer suck0r gg!" is that something that makes the game better or the genre? is that revolutionary? I dont think so

Most of the people that are buying GW2 are tired of the same ole stuff. So for them not having the trinity is a plus.

Again, that is story mode. AKA easy mode. Even then he says when everyone worked together it became much easier. There are combos that work together and people can still play their roles, it's just that they are not forced to.


As a avid sports fan I think the non-trinity model represents it better. If a player is playing bad he does hinder the team...but the entire team does not lose (well in American football one bad Olineman can ruin the whole team) if the other players are doing well. In this case one guy continues to down but the 4 others are keeping aflots, keeping him alive, and helping him through the dungeon. That's not different than how the trinity works, it is just a lot more flexible.

Also in say basketball you don't have to HAVE a Center. You can play a guy who is power forward at center and if he's good enough than you can still be successful. There are 5 roles on the team but not everyone plays it the same.

Same can be said about the world's most popular sport Soccer/Football. Your mid fielder doesn't have to play the traditonal role, the coach can play different formation and the midfielders role can change. In GW2 this could happen. Maybe your team needs more healing, if you are a elementalist you can change it on the fly and adjust to the stiuation...

any ways calling GW2 players "Childish" just proves someone is a 'hater'

Too bad for the guy who just wants to have fun in a MMO with his friends. Stick to your role guy even if you don't prefer it and are playing it just to Q faster in groups and feel needed!

maybe his friends dont like to tank or heal ? would u like him to force his friends to do somthing they dont want to do or drop them for a tank/healer ? gw2 will be a more social game than any mmo as u dont need to wait around for mr tank or healer, u just grab 4 other ppl and away u go having fun in a dungeon

"GW2 is accomodating the childish player that says "Derp I want DPS only, Healer suck0r gg!" so GW2 trying somthing differnt in a mmo is childish ? ok then

Sports are good examples, you are not locked into a hard role, and in basketball everyone has the ability to attack much like in GBTV video everyone was DPS.

But I wouldnt say that soccer is a worse game or sport becaue "you and your friends cant be all strikers" or because "one player is forced to be a goal keeper" thats an asenine argument, first of all nobody is forcing you to do anything because its a game and if you want to play it you have to play as a team, and people do play as a team because they like the game because its fun, and it happens in other games thats why I gave the example of League of Legends (support, carry, tank) and its an incredibly succesful game.

I wouldnt call GW2 players childish (I plan to play after all) I said the particular kind of player that would refuse to adapt to a different role to play with his friends is childish, now fortunately for them, they dont have to do that in GW2, I'd say is a good commodity feature, but I think that people saying its revolutionary and sets it apart from all the other games in the genre are irrationally hyped, and that was my point to begin with.

It wont do the game any better if its not fun to begin with.

"Hey bro, I want you to roll a healer. Our guild has tons of tanks and DPS and we need more healers." You see this all the time when guilds form up or friends start to play with each other.

You see guilds that limit themselves "NO MORE DPS!" because they have too many of one role.

No trinity gets rid of that. I don't see how that is a bad thing. Okay okay, when SWTOR gets Dual-specc that problem will be less. At the same time you are still forcing the player into a role he may not prefer to play. The devs at Anet have always stated "Fun." everytime you hear why they made a decision it's always about "We thought it would be more fun this way."

Also I love the "Even in work." comparison...because work is so fun right? It's cool to play my role to maximum efficiency, log on every day, have my attendance high...just like work! Sometimes I feel like MMO players have forgot why they play games. The fact that the "Grind" is part of most MMOs proves that...and most players don't enjoy it but one time but you will find them doing it multiple times to roll a tank or healer or to craft better or for whatever reason.

Never said Soccer/Football was worse in any way. Just that a midfielder is not always playing the same role. He may be an attacking midfield he may be a defending one. If he is skilled enough he could slot into a forward spot and attack the goal if the coach feels they need that. Just like a forward like Lebron James can play 3 positions on the court. Roles are versatile and not set in stone in most sports (outside of American Football I guess) and depending on the situation change. Even in baseball a player may be able to play multiple positions. That's not how it is with the trinity.

Nothing is wrong with that player. He wants to play HIS player how he wants to play it. He has a game style that he likes and that is what makes him enjoy the game. Why should he HAVE to adapt if he doesn't want to play as a tank or DPS? What is the alternate? To not play with his friend and go find a appropriate group...or to have his friend roll the appropriate role...how is that okay? The whole point of the game is to play with your friends and have fun doing so.

I've played healer most of my MMO life...It tends to get boring at times watching green bars and playing whack a mole, sometimes I'd like to attack and be more aggressive.