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A Vent For Healers' Heat

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A Vent For Healers' Heat

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WhiskeyGin
07.27.2012 , 06:09 AM | #1
I thought I would just take a moment to vent a little tiny amount of rage that I've been experiencing lately due to the LFG tool. Let me preface this by saying that it's extremely helpful to have, but comes with a lot of baggage.

See, we've all been trained (more-or-less) by WoW's group finder tool to not consider the other players in our randomized group, because we would never see them again. However, this is not the case here. Oh no, I've seen many flame wars tear across gen. chat over perceived poor performance in random HM's. See, we've all gotta live together, and people will remember who you are. It's exactly like the olden days of WoW. If you create enough bad rep for yourself, your only real option is to pack up and leave town (especially with legacy names since you'll get found out sooner or later).

Therefore, for the sake of your healers: LEARN YOUR DAMN JOBS! I've grown sick and tired of a number of things, because they've come to be run of the mill in random groups and I'm tired of picking up everyone's (that's right, everyone's) slack.

Firstly, and this one is really just a matter of courtesy, please heal yourselves up after an encounter. It's one single button to push. However, time and again I will have to work overtime to keep those bars full. It's honestly getting to the point where I don't stop healing from start to finish in a dungeon. This is not fun for me. I'd like to be able to run along with everyone and have a nice time. But no. Healers are systematically forced to tie your shoelaces for you and smile about it the whole time.

Secondly, and this one is of dire concern, start learning kill order. It's not hard, it shouldn't even actually be a problem (though it does help to identify the scrubs). It goes Weak -> Strong -> Elite -> Champion. Why? Because your healer will pull aggro on all those weak enemies due to healing the tank while s/he, assumedly, holds aggro on everything (or at least the big bad). It is truly the mark of an uninvolved, unskilled dps who cannot take a few seconds to tab though all the targets and ferret out the weak ones first. Why is this of "dire concern"? Because if you don't kill them, the healer will spend more time keeping themselves alive than the tank, and that usually (read: always) turns out terrible.

And lastly, don't be so self-righteous when a healer asks you to do these things. It's really a bad state of things when we're having to point out that you're not doing your jobs. We're watching, the whole time. When you don't care for us, we don't care for you. I've already added a sizable amount of bad/lazy dps and tanks to my ignore list because I refuse to be kicked around any longer by their indifference.

So, please, don't carry your bad habits with you. Learn to carry your own weight, or tie your own shoelaces, because one day the people who grin and bear it won't be there any longer.
Try not. Do, or do not. There is no try.
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Ragico
07.27.2012 , 07:27 AM | #2
As a fellow healer I agree with all that you have said. Countless times i've been attacked by the weak mobs in HMs and although its no big deal since I can deal with it...I should not have to deal with it all the time. One other thing, for the love of god DPS will you please learn to interrupt mobs! I've lost track of the amount of times i've been in Kaon almost permanently stun locked by the mercenary mobs, because the group is too busy killing the other mobs <.<

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RendValor
07.27.2012 , 07:27 AM | #3
While I agree with all your points (I play both mercenary and scoundrel healers) not everyone is perfect. People will make these mistakes time and time again and again, so my advice to you is either join a guild and always run with the same gang or just put more jelly in your donut, cause if you're gonna rage everytime a PuG does something that does not match your standard of gameplay, you're gonna be a very miserable person.
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WhiskeyGin
07.27.2012 , 01:11 PM | #4
Sure, it might seem like an overreaction. However, this has happened literally every single PUG I've been grouped with since the group finder. I maintain this is all baggage carried over from WoW's group finder.

Anyways, healers, do you have any strategies for dealing with bad/ lazy players? Personally I make the simple requests (top yourselves off, keep the weak mobs off me) early then don't top them off between trash mobs. They don't want to take some responsibility for starting pulls at half health or lower; that's their problem. I'll still do just enough to keep them going, but that's about it.

Now, I do understand that not every player is a terri-bad. However, I hold myself to a certain standard of play, which is why I'm not one of the plebs. Really, the gap isn't that hard to cross, just put in a little more effort.
Try not. Do, or do not. There is no try.
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zeshakha
07.27.2012 , 01:36 PM | #5
I've just quit using the group finder unless I already have part of the team made beforehand. Tired of putting up with tanks or dps not knowing their roles (and my friends are tired of the bad healers).

Note: I'm not referring to a lack of experience. I mean BAD players. "Why didn't you keep me alive?" Why were you standing in the fire when we warned you mutliple times before the fight?

I've had.. two good pug experiences since 1.3 came out. Everyone was geared, they communicated, and things went the way they were supposed to. Every other run there was at LEAST one person not pulling their weight. The only exception I have is for those players willing to listen to advice and pay attention to what is happening in the fights, which seems to be very few of the pugs I've run into.
Jung Ma <Night's Radiance>
Hirse- Sage healer | Zeshakha- Vanguard tank
Joleer- Scoundrel healer | Ortamek- Sentinel
Zaia- Shadow tank

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RendValor
07.27.2012 , 02:59 PM | #6
I guess it also depends on which server you're playing. Jung Ma in my experience has very good PvE players (at least for T1 HMs) to the point where we regularly run PuGs completely silent and very smooth. Sure, there's also the ocasional bad PuGmate, but that's what the /ignore command is (LFG tool won't match you with a person you have on ignore)
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WhiskeyGin
07.27.2012 , 10:05 PM | #7
I'm currently on Shadowlands (East Coast PVE). I dunno, my guild is sort of odd in that we don't seem to do too much together outside of raiding and random smatterings of PVP, so it's hard to get a group of good players I know together.

What really makes the LFG tool gimped to me is that you can queue for Lost Island only for the BH comms and to work on the weekly. However, you're still drawing from the same pool of lazy hacks. Seeing as LI is Tier 2 because it's harder, what's the point? I'd rather rub my face against a brick wall for hours and hours and hours and hours and HOURS than put up with that.

Fun anecdote time! I was once roundly flamed by a tank for not helping on interrupts on the first LI boss. Except I'm a healer, so that's not my job (three people staring at the boss can't promptly interrupt one ability?). Also, I'm a mercenary, so... /awkward shrug. Needless to say, that tank is on ignore now.
Try not. Do, or do not. There is no try.
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Kaesoron
07.28.2012 , 04:50 AM | #8
Regardless of wether im healing or damage dealing, I have had very few negative experiences with the group finder, At first I was very cautious about using it, I have never been a fan of healing pugs, however my experiences have mosty been positive.

I dont mind in-experienced players, if I need to help a healer in I will do, its not a big issue & bad players just need to learn too, I generally dont like to critisize I prefer to adapt,,but lazy players should not be tolerated its just unfair on the rest of the group.

K.
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bobmcbo
07.28.2012 , 11:45 AM | #9
sometimes when someone pulls a leroy jenkins without even using their out of combat heal beforehand, I just let them die.

Also, I can't stand how stupid some other healers are. On my main republic character, there was a commando that only paid attention to the tank. kept spamming hammer shot while everyone else died, and the few times they DID try healing someone besides the tank (the tank actually didn't need healing most of the time), they would use hammer shot for it. at full ammo. when we're almost dead.
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WhiskeyGin
07.29.2012 , 01:58 AM | #10
I wouldn't discount Rapid Shots (i.e. Hammer Shot). If used over the course of 3 GCD's, which is roughly how long most heals take to cast, it can do a good amount of healing. Also, it's great for spot healing-- like if a dps gets clipped by an aoe attack.

However, lazy healing like what you described is intolerable. If I find myself in a raid with a lazy healer, usually I'll make it painfully obvious who's better. Even if they can do better numbers than me, a proactive healer (even a tank healer like me) can make the difference between wipe and success with even just a little extra effort.
Try not. Do, or do not. There is no try.
Whiskey of The Shadowlands' Redrum