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Daethorz
07.22.2012 , 01:51 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Fornix View Post
And it's these sort of ideas which BioWare listened to too much during the development years. Sure, a new planet is content, for 4 hours. Then it's done. What then? Another new planet the next day?

No, game development can't out perform the speed by which gamers go through it. Single player games are 'beaten' in 15 - 20 hours on average, if you're lucky you strike a game where you take about 30 - 40 hours to do it. For an MMO, such figures are nothing. With the multiple story lines, SWTOR can offer that to a certain extent, it taking about 100 hours to reach cap due to a certain grind factor along, that times 8. But instead people will just say it's all pretty much the same anyway, so that trick doesn't hold up.

The MMO crowd, or the P2P one at least, simply isn't interested in questing for the big part of it. The entire community has based its existence around 3 pillars:
- PvE raiding
- PvP unranked
- PvP ranked

The 4th pillar found in it afterwards is the social factor, however that has never been a true driving force in thriving MMO's in the west. Only secondary to a core crowd of players those would slowly drop in.
yes this is why i feel Swoop Racing is probably the most important thing to swtors future.
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07.22.2012 , 02:09 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Styxx View Post
You see.. people actually wanted a "real MMO", not KoToR with a sub, because, at the end of the day, a MMO can only be a MMO and can only break so many rules...
Quite the opposite, this isn't even KOTOR with a sub, not at all, it's WoW with Star Wars skins- straight up. KOTOR with a sub would've been nice, no levels, just skilltree for weapon cert/abilities (kinda like TSW's skill wheel) and more interaction with your character than just going through storylines.
Now that GoergZoeller is gone, buff operative.
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07.22.2012 , 02:53 PM | #63
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As i have said, to Discourage Snore-Fest Activity of Players sitting in Fleet waiting for ques to pop and doing nothing else, just like WoW, SWTOR needs to innovate with new Features such as Swoop Racing, Gambling /w Pazzak, Dejark @ other games and many other various ideas such as Battlefront Style Warzones and so on, WoW understands this and has been working on Pet Battles for their game, its time for Bioware to figure this out too. And i hope they do before it's too late, because SWTOR has Piles of Potential, but if it goes F2P I fear EA will pressure Bioware to make it P2W.
Cool minigames do help a lot. I play Star Trek Online on the side for the space combat, but there really wasn't all that much to do... until they implemented the Duty Officer system about half a year back. Holy hell, what a difference that made. If you don't know what that is, it's sort of a collectable card game within the game. The cards represent officers of your crew with differences in quality and they have specific traits - you can send them on all kinds of different missions, trade them with other players, etc. It's an oddly addictive little minigame and I find myself playing with duty officers far more than doing space combat these days.

Though I'd love to see something akin to the duty officer system in swtor, it doesn't need to be all that complicated. It'd be great fun to play pazaak with another player (because we all know from KOTOR that the computer cheats! ). Pod-racing... eh, we already have something like that in the space game, but as much as I like the space game, some proper free roaming space combat would be quite nice.

Hm, I suddenly have an overwhelming urge to see how my duty officers are doing...

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07.22.2012 , 04:01 PM | #64
I seem to remember in the beginning, post after post in these forums saying; We want this, just like WoW, or we want that, just like WoW. Well, they listened it seems.
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07.22.2012 , 04:06 PM | #65
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I seem to remember in the beginning, post after post in these forums saying; We want this, just like WoW, or we want that, just like WoW. Well, they listened it seems.
Really? Perhaps you could give us an example of a "We want _____ just like WoW" post. And how the devs "listened."
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07.22.2012 , 04:07 PM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Sookster View Post
..., it's WoW with Star Wars skins- straight up. KOTOR with a sub would've been nice, no levels, just skilltree for weapon cert/abilities (kinda like TSW's skill wheel) and more interaction with your character than just going through storylines.
KOTOR had levels. AND its progression was linear, as was its skill system. The only difference here is that you could pick what you wanted to specialize in and what you didn't (for instance, I want to focus on swordsmanship, not blasters).

Edit: KOTOR's skill system was based on points, but it wasn't a "tree" progression as in MMOs. Perhaps people would like it if BioWare revamped TOR's skill system to be more like this, but invariably, people would complain here as well.

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I seem to remember in the beginning, post after post in these forums saying; We want this, just like WoW, or we want that, just like WoW. Well, they listened it seems.
Yes, I do too. IN fact, it's cyclical. "This game is too much like WoW, make it different --> "This game is not enough like WoW - make it more like it" --> "This game is too much like WoW."

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07.22.2012 , 04:10 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Kharnis View Post
Really? Perhaps you could give us an example of a "We want _____ just like WoW" post. And how the devs "listened."
Group finder. And now people don't even like that.
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07.22.2012 , 05:17 PM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by Kharnis View Post
Really? Perhaps you could give us an example of a "We want _____ just like WoW" post. And how the devs "listened."
Group finder is the biggest. UI and ranked are others, Recount even though done through parser is another. Also the vicous attacks on anything suggested that wasnt in wow or is different to wow, any sandbox or features that are none combat are jumped on and the posters attacked for it and simply state this is not swg2 or this is not the game for you.
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07.22.2012 , 05:27 PM | #69
Seriously? Group finder and UI customisation are the examples you give? Are you actually trying to tell me that the moment someone mentions "group finder," they must automatically be wanting a WoW feature because only WoW has a group finder? Not Rift, or DDO, or LoTRO, or Aion, or any other MMO?
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07.22.2012 , 05:30 PM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by DrDon View Post
differance is SWTOR is a MMO! if you want the "lone wolf feeling, MMO's arnt for you.
This is totally not true. I met some Dreadlords in UO who actually prefered to be lone wolfs. They were players who enjoyed running around being feared as a lone wolf who had a nasty bite. If you met a Dreadlord in UO back in it's early days of it's launch, you knew they were really good at what they did.

Many players also have little interest in running in grps period. They prefer to play solo and do things at thier own pace. A MMO offers to the solo player a more dynamic , changing world environment when they are playing as they see other players and on occasion get to talk to them or help them in some way. And all of that can be done without ever grouping. But to say a MMO should only be played in groups is trying to enforce your concept of a play style you think is right on others.

Keep in mind your goals in a MMO may not allways be the same as others are. Some donot care about the gear grind or being the best PVP'er on thier server. I try to respect all those who have different goals and let them play the way they want to as long as they are not purposely trying to interfere with my enjoyment. I suggest you do the same.
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