To the Anonymous Insider

I think they will say what the subs are now. But they will also use whatever they can to make it look less negative as possible. Such as the 6 month subbers will still be looked at as active. But some will be gone totally next month. Or they may count the free trials as total active players. I still think a more accurate state of the game in terms of total subs will not be known until the end of the year's report.

Themepark means the context and the setting of the game is set out for you with quests that take you through the game, swgs game was set out as such but not via set quests, the game was driven by community play which doesnt mean sandbox, that just means that it is strongly aimed at roleplayers and by hidden quests, open world missions and pvp. If that makes it a sandbox then so is gw2. It had set classes but it had major hybrids set out in 32 trees.

The only sandbox within swg was playerhousing at launch.

A sandbox game means that there are no quests, there are no classes, the player creates the whole game around them and everything is a blank canvas. anything can be created and the player is the game. Thus the name sandbox, its blank and you build a castle.

Go read it, 1st call active accounts 1.7 mil 2nd call 1.3 mil active subscribers in which they state subscribers had gone up.

I see Dev Tracker and Dev Tracker only. What have you heard or seen upcoming that gives you hope? 1.4 hasn't even been mentioned and 1.3 was a flipping joke. Their promise of rolling out updates month after month has gone ignored. Their promises of better communication has also been ignored. The current negativity is DIRECTLY related to Biowares pathetic communication. DIRECTLY RELATED!!!

I don't care what WoW does...this isn't the WoW forums. WoW can do whatever they like, they're in good shape still...SWTOR is not.

People who are saying that fans were craving wow-clone features pre-launch miss a crucial point.

WoW-like convenience features .. like a way to find groups that doesn't consist of LFG 4M! spam on fleet general channel, or customizable appearance, openly explorable world, easier transportation, etc, do not necessarily mean a game has to be a wow-clone. These features are usability and convenience things that could be strapped to any type of MMO - from SWG to EvE.

When people asked for usability and convenience features, they weren't asking for raid tiers, more raid tiers, badge collection and dailies. Those are the things that make TOR a wow clone .. well, plus the whole class and resource and cooldown system, the holy trinity, quest hubs, power word: shield.. ah, hell, you name it.

Others in this thread have it right. You don't leave WoW after 4-7 years of playing it, pay eager attention to a new MMO that claims to offer something different, and then buy it .. all to get the same bones of a game you were playing back in 2004 with a different skin.

Bioware missed a golden opportunity - that games like TSW and GW2 are going for, for hell or high water - to provide the burnt-out wower something new and different. Let's face it; at this point.. nobody can ape wow exactly enough, and well enough, to pull people who adore wow out of their social network. The disaffected, the bored though? Open market. Bioware didn't go for them.

If the active subs have dropped much below 1.3 m I think they'd be mad to say what they were if they don't have to do so, a bit like they don't seem to say what WARs active subs are.

Free trials will almost certainly be counted as active subs though, as that's pretty much the industry standard.

Wow, a lot of people got trolled by this make believe insider...

Yeah, but that's smoke and mirrors, 1.7 is still active accounts, it's just not maybe 1.7m accounts that have gone beyond the first month.

PR-wise it was a disaster and I can't see why they'd have admitted to it if they didn't have to.

I have seen whats coming in 1.3 and 1.4 via videos from bioware, i know that hk51 is coming and also is makeb and the planet assention i think its called. that more story is coming within the next year and new races are coming. Ive listened to the podcasts.

Sub numbers are always smoke and mirrors, you really thing that wow really has 10+ mil subscribers. of course they dont, wow itself has never really gotten above 4.5 mil subscribers in its prime years. want to know the more real sub numbers go look how many copys the expantion sold within the 1st 48 hours as all subscribers will pre order the thing so they arnt left behind.

And pr wise i dont think EA give a snizzle wizzle about sub how the pr is spun because they cant do much about it espec when part of the media never gave swtor a chance and are now calling it tortanic.