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CommunitySupport
07.16.2012 , 10:40 AM | #1
Hi everyone,

We’re looking for some specific feedback about each Advanced Class and spec. Your feedback here, along with other feedback we’ve been gathering and our internal metrics, may guide future class balance changes. Similar threads will be found in every Advanced Class forum.

Here are the two questions that we’d like to ask (please only post about specific specs that you actively play, and don’t forget to tell us which one you’re talking about!):

1. How do you think your Scoundrel spec is perceived by other classes?
2. How do you perceive your own spec?

Please answer the post using the same format and in no more than 2-3 sentences per question.

This is not a discussion thread, so please do not debate others’ feedback – everyone gets to share what they think. Any off-topic or unconstructive posts (or any that do not follow the above guidelines) will be removed without warning.

Remember, this isn’t the only thread we’re looking at for feedback – if you have more feedback than fits the above guidelines, please feel free to post a discussion thread. We’re looking to get some specific insights here, but we are always reading the forums to gather feedback and player concerns.

Thank you!

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jackrunip
07.16.2012 , 10:59 AM | #2
Scrapper Spec.

1) Not enough brought to the table (Lack of utility, too many damage restrictions) to be priority in RWZ or OPS.

2) I feel I need to bring a "wing-man" along in PvP to be able to burst someone down. We excel against under-geared or half dead enemies. We rely too much on stealth to have such a long cool-down on Vanish (Especially in PvE where our hard hitter can only be used in stealth; the behind enemy backblast restriction kills our DPS on the 1v1 fight during Eternity Vault)
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Aetou
07.16.2012 , 11:18 AM | #3
Sawbones.

(1) Awesome PVP Healers, Average PVE Healers.

(2) I'm happy with the PVP performance for the most part, although the fact that without Guard it is very hard to survive makes pugging an issue and it would be nice if healers were made less dependent on Guard to be able to do well. In PVE 'mobility' isn't as much of an edge in most fights and it is difficult to match the raw output of a Sage with Salvation or the burst healing of a Commando - having to rely on adrenals and relics to provide burst healing to others makes things a bit predictable. As an Ops leader I still find myself wanting to make sure we have at least 1 Salvation and improving our AOE healing would go a long way to rectify that.

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Coldin
07.16.2012 , 11:29 AM | #4
I'll answer for two specs, since i swap between both.

Sawbones:

1. Basically regarded as the best healing class in the game right now. High mobility, good heals over time, and having a vanish means they can get out a jam if need be.

2. Overall, I think this spec is very good. I do feel like it could use some further tweaking to the AOE heal, since it's not really needed to be competitive in any group content.


Scrapper:

1. Really a mixed bag. It's either the most OP class, because you can come out of stealth in an instant and kill within seconds; or it's the worst class due to subpar DPS after the opening burst and lackluster utility skills compared to other classes. Overall, I think most people regard a Scrapper as being not as good as other DPS classes.

2. I'm frequently disappointed while playing this spec. I can deal some damage, but it always feels lackluster comparing myself to Marauders or Powertechs. I also feel like I don't contribute much to the group, since unless I'm healing, all I can really deal is DPS. No sprints, leaps, grapples, group buffs, enemy debuffs all make me think I'd be better off bringing a different class to a group.

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Pargon
07.16.2012 , 11:41 AM | #5
Scrapper

1) In PVP, we're considered a source of constant frustration because people hate being killed from stealth. It feels like you're unfairly killed before you can really react and you hear overpowered complaints often. In PVE, most seem to consider the class sub par because of low dps or "lack of utility." They're definitely never the first choice to be taken if you have other options.

2) While I feel like my dps is strong, I've not parsed so I don't know for certain. As far as utility, I sap before trash pulls, I can cc droids, and I've saved our tanks many times with some spot heals, combat res, vanish ghetto res (please remove this it's too finicky) so I think we have more than people realize. I think the class can be great, but is difficult to play well so you don't see many of them. I also don't think it feels very Star Wars at all to be punching and pistol whipping enemies with my blaster instead of, you know, firing my blaster.
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theblaznee
07.16.2012 , 11:56 AM | #6
Sawbones:

1: Best pvp healers out there, and fair pve healers.. They suffer a bit from "randomness" in their aoe heal compared to sages, but they have more mobility to make up a bit for it.

2. Pretty much as the general population.. I quite like playing sawbones specced smuggler in both pve and pvp. We have some rather redundant abilities that need tweaking.. Like smuggle.. Worst ability EVER ..
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Daiyukie
07.16.2012 , 12:11 PM | #7
I'll answer for two specs, since I play them both with optimized and augmented War Hero gear, Ranked and Solo queue.

Sawbones:

1. Best PvP healing class in the game. High mobility, strong instant heals and vanish at will. People are annoyed at the sub 30% heal spam and would prefer if the heal was stronger but couldn't be spammed for free.

2. In contrast to public perception, HoTs and instant heal will not keep someone alive under incoming fire from more than one enemy, casted heal is necessary. Vanish has a long cooldown, but with Guard there's less need to use it so it's fine with 3 minutes.

Scrapper:

1. Perceived as the most annoying class because you can come out of stealth and "kill within seconds"; people who know the class know this is impossible and it's a nightmare to get into Ranked because the DPS isn't high enough to justify the complete lack of utility and most classes can eat the burst opener and be fine.

2. I always feel pretty unimpressed by the damage that comes out of Shoot First because the restrictions on it would have you believe it's far more powerful than it is. Give it much higher damage and keep the rest the same or give us an extra knockdown/short stun or give us a shorter CD Vanish/second temporary Vanish and the class is fine.

The defining abilities for each spec should not be a joke.
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Ramahospitality
07.16.2012 , 12:52 PM | #8
Play a Sawbones. Lv 46

1) From what I've seen on my main, If a Sawbones healer is in group and they don't know how to p[lay it, they can't keep tank alive very well when under intensive fire. I haven't had an issue like that from my leveling but it seems like this is a class that for PVE, you need to know the class. However, seeing as this games leveling and most of its End Game content have been pretty under whelming, having a class where you have to think as you perform your rotation and not just face roll is refreshing.

2) I love healing, it's interesting and fun, never dull unless you have an OP tank that doesn't take any damage. Smuggle is nice to skip through FPs, especially in HMs where you just want your daily and get out. When it come to leveling though, it has slowed drastically since Corso's harpoon went away. In order to conserve my energy and not blow CD's on every fight while I'm questing, i have to use melee attacks which means running into the group of mobs. Smugglers need a gap closer to bring us to the mobs or at least give Corso back his harpoon so he can tank the group and you can beat the crap out of the mob he pulls. Oh, and AOE heals are WEAK.

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Malles
07.16.2012 , 01:17 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by CommunitySupport View Post
Hi everyone,

We’re looking for some specific feedback about each Advanced Class and spec. Your feedback here, along with other feedback we’ve been gathering and our internal metrics, may guide future class balance changes. Similar threads will be found in every Advanced Class forum.

Here are the two questions that we’d like to ask (please only post about specific specs that you actively play, and don’t forget to tell us which one you’re talking about!):

1. How do you think your Scoundrel spec is perceived by other classes?
2. How do you perceive your own spec?

Please answer the post using the same format and in no more than 2-3 sentences per question.

This is not a discussion thread, so please do not debate others’ feedback – everyone gets to share what they think. Any off-topic or unconstructive posts (or any that do not follow the above guidelines) will be removed without warning.

Remember, this isn’t the only thread we’re looking at for feedback – if you have more feedback than fits the above guidelines, please feel free to post a discussion thread. We’re looking to get some specific insights here, but we are always reading the forums to gather feedback and player concerns.

Thank you!
1. The Scoundrel and Operative are the most underpowered class in the game. Their heals are subpar and their rotations are far too complex. You'd be better off rolling a Sage or even a Commando.
2. I think shoving a shotgun up someone's butt and firing it renders every argument they have invalid. Once you get the rotation down the Scoundrel is awesome.
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silvershadez
07.16.2012 , 01:18 PM | #10
Scrapper here:

In others eyes I have the worst mobility (compared to other melees) and utility in this game which is the reason, why they don't need my scrapper in rBGs. In PvE I generally lack sustainable DPS. We bring alot of good burst, but thats all this spec can offer (except the ability to stealth and to give some off-heals if needed).