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phga
07.16.2012 , 12:58 PM | #11
1. How do you think your Assassin spec is perceived by other classes?
My Deception Assassin is perceived as an underperforming one that no one in their right mind would take on a serious OP (in PVP there are some tweaks to be made), but it's my favorite and it's the one that makes the most sense my character would be (a sneaky, strike-from-the-shadows-and-run kind of character).

2. How do you perceive your own spec?
As I said, it's my favorite spec, and I hate that in order to be viable I can't play as it. I think that if the spec is carefully and thoroughly looked into, it can be made quite viable and useful (and NOT overpowered); there's a lack of utility about it as well a lack of survivability, but the latter is understandable since this class is supposed to be a glass cannon. Just make it a cannon, though, it's all we ask.

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CharlieBrown
07.16.2012 , 01:37 PM | #12
Darkness Spec, PVE. Cleared through HM KP and SM EC up to Kephess. Mostly black-hole / rakata geared.

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1. How do you think your Assassin spec is perceived by other classes?
2. How do you perceive your own spec?
1. Sub-optimal for easy clears of operations. Anecdotal, but pre-1.3 I've been declined numerous invitations to story mode operations pugs because I was an assassin, even though I am over geared for those places. One KP group literally took a recruit geared Juggernaut (their words) in my place. They didn't get very far and later on asked me to join in his place, but it took them failing with a recruit geared Jugg before that happened.

2. Excellent for being able to solo content including heroic missions due to stealth, perhaps the best. Weak against fast hitting enemies or very hard hitting bosses (e.g. Kephess in Story Mode, Transgenic Sample Seven in LI HM), typically requiring a Medpac + Overcharge Saber on CD and still getting destroyed on Kephess.

A word on Accuracy and Thrash: We barely use Thrash now as it is due to the force cost and lower threat output, and the undesirability of accuracy (as most of our abilities don't need it at all) makes it even less attractive as most of us replace accuracy enhancements with shield + defense enhancements. Energize isn't nearly enough to make us want to use an ability that needs accuracy to be effective and we are literally gearing away from accuracy.
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darksidechemist
07.16.2012 , 01:50 PM | #13
Darkness spec.

1. Others (that have never played the class) still percieve it as being somewhat OP, whether it is tank spec or dps spec. Mostly pvp players that get upset because they got killed by one in a wz.

2. I think that (once again) you guys went overboard with the nerfs. Changing either the self-heal or the armor would have been fine. Changing both (especially in reaction to pvp crying) broke the class. Just as with the sorc/sage nuke in 1.2, you guys made changes in response to pvp that severely impaired the class' viability in pve.

If I can make a suggestion, instead of nerfing the so-called 'overperforming' classes, you guys should try buffing the so-called 'underperforming' ones. Flailing about with the nerf bat in response to bad pvp players is the biggest reason this game is hemhoragging subscriptions.

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Septentrius
07.16.2012 , 01:53 PM | #14
lvl 50 Madness Sin here.

1. TBH I'm not sure how other classes perceive my spec but I have plenty of friends who play high tier PvP with Battlemaster and often even War Hero gear who have a lot of trouble taking down Darkness Assassins. Deception and Madness Assassins also cause an enormous amount of damage when used correctly.

2. Madness was a spec that took some getting used to but is really rewarding when I get my rotation down right. Its hit and run capabilities are unparalleled and the amount of damage I can dish out with DOTs alone is enough to win many engagements. I frequently make it into the top 5 of the damage charts in Warzones and am often the top 1-2 out of all Consulars and Inquisitors in the game. For the record, I want to make it clear that Madness is not in anyway over powered and I'm not trying to make it sound like it is, it's just quite good if you can get the hang of it.

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KymvirRaemiz
07.16.2012 , 02:38 PM | #15
I don't play PVP. My experience is raiding/storyline progression

1. Generally I get the feeling that Assassins are seen as always too squishy, whether as tank or as DPS.

2. In my experience, an Assassins' nice set of defensive skills and self-healing makes it stand up just fine to most challenges. There are a few bosses that make it struggle, but it's a class more uniquely able to kite bosses than any other tank type, so it's a rare and situational issue that rarely causes a real problem.

As a DPS class, I find Assassins pretty fun to play, though there is a lot of buff-bar watching to make them max out their damage. That's not something many people appreciate. Oh, and they squish really fast. It might be nice to give them some way to dump aggro other than using their once-per-battle-imperfectly-working combat stealth ability.

My one major gripe? I like to mix and match abilities, trying out different trees. The Deception tree is entirely too Surging Charge focused. if you don't want to use Surging Charge, there is no way to progress up that tree without wasting a lot of points.

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Hxxr
07.16.2012 , 02:52 PM | #16
I play my assassin only as a tank in PvE.

1. No different than other tanks. The people I raid with don't discriminate any class believing (and proving) that the content can be done with any combination of classes you might bring.
The recent nerf hasn't had any impact on any of our two main tank assassins or my twink.

2. I have another tank (Juggernaut) too, so my observations might go beyond what some can experience. There is not much wrong with Darkness assassins.
My first concern are more of an aesthetic nature: you don't use your lightsaber much in an effective rotation.
The other isn't really about balancing but scaling properly ... this is far from exclusive for the class or spec but Dark Charge heals don't scale with gear which should be adressed as it will become a problem as gear progresses in the next couple of patches - maybe fix it now before this becomes an issue.
Other than that ... solid damage for a tank, good mitigation and useful cooldowns and no concerns for threat.
The recent nerf doesn't bother me, I agree that the spec was superior to the competition but now spike damage might be an issue in future operations (as I expect the numbers to grow generally larger).
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Ignobull
07.16.2012 , 02:53 PM | #17
spec: Darkness
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1. No point to wearing tank gear except for running the ball in huttball. Hit with the nerf bat hard after 1.3.

2. We need more benefit from tank gear. We are balanced with other classes. Our abilities should at least scale of defenses, we should not feel gimped using tank gear as tanks. I tickle healers.

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Sanen
07.16.2012 , 03:04 PM | #18
Lovely. I play all specs of the sith assassin class but manly deception.

1. How do you think your Assassin spec is perceived by other classes?
To other classes its darkness u are to tank and pvp as tank and thats all u dont need to worry about dps cuz the other specs suck. As dps u are madness or u do crap dps and if u are not madness rethink goin darkness or madness cuz deception is crap and needs a buff somewhere to make it worth taking unless the ops group has an maruader, sniper and or sorc as dps.
2. How do you perceive your own spec?
Im deception and i love the spec i loved it since i lvled my jedi shadow to 50 as infiltration and when i rerolled an assassin i lvled as deception. I went darkness and madness but i dont like tanking on my assassin and i hate and i mean i hate the madness rotation or should i say i hate dps classes where i have to keep up more than one dot.


Off topic im really glad u are thinking of trying to balance the classes and i really hope and mean i really hope u dont balance the classes like World of Warcraft has. O ya seeing how maruaders are i dont want to be as op as them just somewhere close to sorcs or snipers.
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ElitehunterDS
07.16.2012 , 03:44 PM | #19
Global Assassin :
Where did the 9% willpower from Madness go? Why was it removed in beta? Why are Assassin one of the only AC without a bonus to their main stats? Marauder Have the same issue, but they don't really need it though.

Deception :
-Force Starvation, internal cooldown on Saber Conduit is too long mixed with low chance of proccing Surging make it unreliable, Blackout CD is also too long and high force cost of every abilities.
-Worthless AoE, worst than single target attack while starving you of force.
-It's better to cast Discharge on cooldown since Surging charge damage is too low, 70-120 dps increased going this way.
-Dps is no where close to 5% with other advance class, lucky for us some guild are looking for the players, not the class.
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DecanAndersen
07.16.2012 , 04:00 PM | #20
I have left my assassin at level 26, not because of the story, its cool. but the lack of saber abilitys.
Way too much hocus pocus and purple lightning, that belongs to sorcs in my eyes.
Never saw Darth Maul use lightning, did you???
Shadows however, love it, but more saber abilitys never hurt.
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