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fungihoujo
11.26.2012 , 05:20 PM | #151
Quote: Originally Posted by AdmiralParmesan View Post
You know there is a problem when every other advanced class believes that they are a counterpick to sorcs.

This pretty much says it all.

BW- you forgot one last question.

3- Sorcs, how do you think Bioware views your class?

Answer- Well let's see, sorcs are now at the point where even threads MADE BY BIOWARE ITSELF about sorc balance can't get a response or a dev to look at them in four months and counting.

Let's not pretend you care one bit about this class BW, you haven't listened once to us, you haven't done anything for us- the one thing you gave us the stun bubble we didn't ask for in the first place- and immediately after you promised marauders you'd remove it- only way to get you to make changes to our class it seems is if marauders ask for them.


Really, why did you start this thread and then ignore everything that was said in it? Was this a 'let's see how long we can trick them into thinking we aren't ignoring them' plan? It's not working- sorcs aren't stupid, we know you're clueless and the only class you come running for is your favoured marauders...

Frankly- what's even with your questions? Asking how we and others feel about us? Really? Where's the questions on say- what you think is the matter, what improvements could be made, what's not working- because those are questions worth getting answers to.


Of course- if you intend to ignore what we say anyway, I guess it doesn't really matter what we talk about does it. We could solve world hunger and invent limitless energy in this thread and you'd be none the wiser.

Maybe it's time to fire some of those devs you have tossing out infractions, and use their salaries to hire one or two people to actually read and answer player concerns? Crazy idea I know.

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totocows
11.27.2012 , 12:15 AM | #152
1. Im not a big fan of pvp played a fair amount though. Other classes prob look at us as very weak and easy to kill class. Love being mauled to death by a jug in less than 3 secs.
2. In pve i am fine fore the most part survivability wise. The self heal helped out a whole lot with that. I am still weaker in dps than my sniper counterparts. I have accepted that i will never reach the same lvl of dps as a merc or sniper with the same lvl of gear i have simply because i am a sorc. Healing spec seems fine. I play lightning tree.

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Diablo_Cow
11.27.2012 , 07:45 AM | #153
I feel sorcs are like this thread, neglected and ignored for everything except healing and bubbles. Don't mind that too much since I play a Lightning sorc and the stats for Lightning and healing are almost the same so I can abuse that free respec as much as I want

But seriously sixteen pages and no response what so ever? Wasn't there supposed to be a couple of "we will communicate more" promises? Or was that intended for LOLsmash warriors?

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fungihoujo
11.27.2012 , 04:09 PM | #154
Quote: Originally Posted by Diablo_Cow View Post
I feel sorcs are like this thread, neglected and ignored for everything except healing and bubbles. Don't mind that too much since I play a Lightning sorc and the stats for Lightning and healing are almost the same so I can abuse that free respec as much as I want

But seriously sixteen pages and no response what so ever? Wasn't there supposed to be a couple of "we will communicate more" promises? Or was that intended for LOLsmash warriors?
It was intended for lolsmash. The first time BW acknowledged the sorc class even existed since this thread was made, was to promise lolsmash warriors that sorcs were getting yet another nerf.

EA already got worst company in America- now it looks like it's time for BW to get worst balance job in an mmo in the world.

They probably fired everyone when the game ran out of cash and went f2p- pretty sure right now they have only one dev, and that's a marauder from the forum who they're not even paying.

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Vladnar
11.28.2012 , 01:45 AM | #155
A slight improvement to really bring sorcs up to speed with what you would expect from the class at the head of the Empire.

1-bring online a further DOT, and join it together in one ability with Crushing Darkness, Affliction and Force Slow and remove any casting time.

2-Lightnight Strike Damage to be Tripled (at least)

3-Thrash and Sabre Strike to be tripled (at least)

4-Allow the use of Companion at all times, but as Auto-Attack only

5-Change Consumption into 2 abilities "Health Drain" & "Force Drain" and take what you need from opponents instead, for extra spice you could take these from Allies too.

Even these changes will not make Sorcs top of the pile but at least we'll be in the main group in pvp, and we won't have players running past them to get to more important toons standing behind them which really is inexcusable for a Star Wars game.


ps, We still wouldn't have a big bang hitter by any means...but having your "trainee" with you at all times would be a really novel boost in all departments.
The time of the Empire is now truly upon us

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Larry_Dallas
11.28.2012 , 02:59 AM | #156
Quote: Originally Posted by CommunitySupport View Post

1. How do you think your Sorcerer spec is perceived by other classes?
Will go with DPS because I heal on an Op. In PVP? The perception is that sorcerors are free kills.

In PvE, the perception is they're 'good enough' but not the best.


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2. How do you perceive your own spec?
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In PvP, difficult to play and sort of sub-optimal, though not tremendously underpowered if you can kite, which isn't exactly easy (sorcs seem to be the one class where memorization of attackers' skill are absolutely necessary to have success).

In PvE, I'm more or less fine with it, but would prefer madness' damage (specifically burst damage) and force regen got a buff (latter's a little more important than the former) so I can go back to that.

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fungihoujo
11.28.2012 , 10:38 AM | #157
I think it should be noted, BW dev that isn't paying attention to the thread you guys made- almost everyone is saying the exact same thing (except a few sents, lol, like ProfWalsh I noticed putting in one even though he's one of the biggest pro-sent anti sorc people on the board)-

People think of us as a free kill. We are in that bad of space.

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Fireswraith
11.28.2012 , 03:47 PM | #158
General:
1) Sorcs get another passive buff... Dark Side Mastery "Through their mastery of the Dark Side force their force attacks are increased by 50% damage"
2) Sorc Bubble........ absorbs a hell of a lot more damage than it does now
3) Unnatural Preservation (that's what the insta heal is called right?)...... does not respect global cooldown
4) Let us equip any lightsaber we want in whatever hand we want just for show, we don't use them anyway
5) Jolt..... reduced CD to 8 seconds, same as Warriors
6) Unbreakable Will...... 1:30 min CD standard
7) Force Slow....... decrease the CD to 6 or 8 seconds
8) Punish..... let us use our social ability on other players please!!
9) Consumption....... make the Force you get = the health you spend, 8 to 8% or 15 to 15%

Madness: (Sorc class only)
1) Will of the Sith..... 2 points, 3% per point, 9% total (hey snipers get 9%)
2) Parasitism.... ALL periodic hits, not just crits
3) Sith Efficacy..... either 1 of 2 things: #1 = 3 pt skill with only change being 1% Force regained per point, so 3% instead of 1; #2 = 2 pt skill, pushback @ 37.5% per point (same total), Force regen chance at 50% per point (same total), Force regained 1% per point (1% more than current)
4) Death Field...... health regained increased to 25% of damage done (per person hit of course)
5) Switch Corrupted Flesh and Force Horrors....... Corrupted Flesh is now a tier 5 activation ability, 2 pts, reduces damage taken by 7.5/15% for 15 seconds, 1:30 min CD
6) Bring back our old Wrath Proc!!
7) No increased damage on specific abilities due to General #1

Lightning:
1) Electric Induction or Convection........ make either of those a 2 point ability with the same %
2) Backlash (for all you QQ'ers out there)...... only applies the cc when bubble breaks ON DAMAGE, no clicking it off
3) Forked Lightning..... same 3 pt skill, 20/40/60% damage for second strike
4) No increased damage on specific abilities due to General #1

Corruption:
1) Do something about Haunting Presence..... really? a buff to Presence? come on just make it 2/4% to all headling done
2) Reconstruct....... 10/20% armor rating per point
3) Fadeout...... maybe also make it increase Force Speed duration by 1 second per point
Penetrating Darkness change....... chance to hit? when does any Force ability ever not hit? maybe make it 1/2/3% to healing done

Any of those changes I would love.

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Larry_Dallas
11.28.2012 , 06:02 PM | #159
Quote: Originally Posted by fungihoujo View Post
I think it should be noted, BW dev that isn't paying attention to the thread you guys made- almost everyone is saying the exact same thing (except a few sents, lol, like ProfWalsh I noticed putting in one even though he's one of the biggest pro-sent anti sorc people on the board)-

People think of us as a free kill. We are in that bad of space.
I'm not as doom and gloom about sorcs as some people are, but believe me, the fact that a sorc overbuff (backlash) sees announced plans to change it immediately and a rage warrior overbuff gets a wait and see (shrug) has not escaped my notice. Nor has the fact that the same reasoning that detached wrath from CL in 1.2 (too much aoe), which I agreed with at the time, has not been applied to the rage tree in warriors.

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veyl
11.28.2012 , 09:06 PM | #160
Quote: Originally Posted by Larry_Dallas View Post
I'm not as doom and gloom about sorcs as some people are, but believe me, the fact that a sorc overbuff (backlash) sees announced plans to change it immediately and a rage warrior overbuff gets a wait and see (shrug) has not escaped my notice. Nor has the fact that the same reasoning that detached wrath from CL in 1.2 (too much aoe), which I agreed with at the time, has not been applied to the rage tree in warriors.
I wish my wrath CL proc hit multiple people for 6k back in the day, the nerf might have been justified then.

PS BIOWARE!
I can still pad meters with madness to do too much damage and screw up your precious metrics! Maybe you should nerf our DoTs next. Clearly they're doing too much damage.

It's disgusting how unnoticed and over nerfed this class is. (Mercs are also in this same position, but at least they have a high DPS PVE tree where the sorc still stands in the middle of mediocrity.)