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07.16.2012 , 10:38 AM | #1
Hi everyone,

We’re looking for some specific feedback about each Advanced Class and spec. Your feedback here, along with other feedback we’ve been gathering and our internal metrics, may guide future class balance changes. Similar threads will be found in every Advanced Class forum.

Here are the two questions that we’d like to ask (please only post about specific specs that you actively play, and don’t forget to tell us which one you’re talking about!):

1. How do you think your Shadow spec is perceived by other classes?
2. How do you perceive your own spec?

Please answer the post using the same format and in no more than 2-3 sentences per question.

This is not a discussion thread, so please do not debate others’ feedback – everyone gets to share what they think. Any off-topic or unconstructive posts (or any that do not follow the above guidelines) will be removed without warning.

Remember, this isn’t the only thread we’re looking at for feedback – if you have more feedback than fits the above guidelines, please feel free to post a discussion thread. We’re looking to get some specific insights here, but we are always reading the forums to gather feedback and player concerns.

Thank you!

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07.16.2012 , 11:14 AM | #2
My spec: Kinetic Combat (Tank)
Discussing PvE
1. Underpowered due to the recent reductions in armor and self healing.
2. I haven't reviewed enough parses to draw any solid conclusions yet, but I'm concerned that my armor appears to be significantly lower than a Vanguard's armor or a Guardian's armor. I also feel that Shadow tanks are inferior at tanking multiple targets due to the mechanics of Kinetic Ward, without being superior at single target tanking.

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07.16.2012 , 11:27 AM | #3
1. Other classes (and I would argue my fellow Shadows as well) have a very erroneous perception of the Shadow tank (balance/infiltration not so much). They largely believe the 1.3 adjustments are a crippling nerf but this is far from the truth. When you parse the numbers you see that 1) mitigation is comparable to the VG (the same kind of tank that we are) and 2) we have the best threat generation in the game. Though the other classes would not believe this. I would even go so far to suggest that we are the best tank spec in the game when you consider all factors (threat, mitigation, utility) but you would not believe this if you asked other classes (or those who have yet to run the numbers).

2. I believe Shadow tanks are in a really good spot right now. We are the #1 threat generators, and our survivability is in line with other tanks. I'd say we're in a perfect spot.

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07.16.2012 , 11:28 AM | #4
1. People perceive that kinetic combat spec of Shadows to be unable to compete in high level tanking with guardians and vanguards.

2. I find the spec to be a good tank, though I find that the self healing really does very little to improve my survivability at all in a group situation, it suffices while soloing, but in flashpoints and operations, feels like it might as well not be there.

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07.16.2012 , 12:02 PM | #5
Dps specs.. Infiltration/balance.

1. Shadows are seen as subpar dps in the game. Not a lot of mobility, hard to keep sustained dps. For pvp it seems like people would MUCH rather have any other dps'er on their team. Balance feels too much like a Sage.

2. I very much like playing Infiltration.. It's good fun in both pvp and pvp, but I'm not very efficient!.. Resource management is an issue in longer fights, and then our dps drops drastically..
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07.16.2012 , 12:10 PM | #6
Kinetic Tank PvE

1. How do you think your Shadow spec is perceived by other classes?
There seems to be a general stigma with shadow tanks, although I've never personally felt it from my guild or in pugs... only in Fleet General Chat where people either love them or hate them. You should ask the healer advance classes how they feel about healing each tank class... I think they would have the most reliable answers for this.

2. How do you perceive your own spec?
I personally love my shadow tank, and have only noticed to be slightly squishier than pre-1.3. I will say, however, that our self-healing does seem to be pretty worthless, now. Also, in fights with multiple targets hitting you, Kinetic Ward drops off too quickly, but this is nothing new and is usually manageable if the healer knows to expect the damage spikes.
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07.16.2012 , 12:19 PM | #7
I play all specs but primarily Infiltration, so I will limit my comments to it.


1. Most players literally do not want an Infiltration on their team in either Warzones or Operations. They will generally only take Infiltration players if they cannot find good players in competitive specs or out of unwillingness to exclude a friend.

2. Infiltration is not as horrible as most other players think, but it is underpowered in Warzones and Operations. It needs better sustained damage and for stealth to be much more heavily integrated into sustained combat functionality in order to become a useful, competitive spec. Because the spec does not have special damage capability and is highly vulnerable to direct attack, its identity needs to be like a slippery eel that is difficult to pin down.

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07.16.2012 , 12:20 PM | #8
My spec: Tank Shadow (Kinetic Combat)

1. How do you think your Shadow spec is perceived by other classes? Have you ever seen/heard the Dane Cook skit on "Karen"? In case you haven't, here's a link. That's what I think the Shadow tank is perceived as by the rest of the SWTOR community.

2. How do you perceive your own spec? The first time I played after 1.3 I felt like a plush toy. It's definitely been an adjustment and despite the reductions, I think it's actually made me a better tank. I look to guard a lot more than I used to, really try to just play a support role and roll my guard depending on who's getting wailed on at the moment (with healers getting top priority of course). Do I do a lot of DPS? No. But can I rack up 100-200k in WZ protection and maybe get a few objective points too? Definitely. Finally, I haven't raided a whole lot so I can't speak to how the changes have affected PVE.
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07.16.2012 , 12:44 PM | #9
1. Others perceive it as overpowered in PvP.

2. I agree that it is overpowered in PvP. The problem specifically is when shadows combine the kinetic tree with DPS pvp gear.

Your 1.3 "fixes" did NOTHING to fix the PvP problem and we took a huge hit in survivablity and utility as a tank in PvE. This was promised not to occur by the devs yet that is exactly what you did.

Solution: Restore our armor and reactive healing in PvE, keep the reduction in PvP matches and restrict somehow the DPS gear with a tank spec.

But will you actually listen to us? Doubtful, since you ignored us before you did it.
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07.16.2012 , 12:45 PM | #10
Spec - Kinetic Combat, Shadow Tank

1. I think that after the 1.3 changes we are perceived as being the weakest of the tanking specs.

2. It is somewhat hard to tell because I have geared up, but I did notice a drop off in survivability after 1.3. That said, I feel the class has a lot of utility in PvP and does more damage than most of the tank classes. I can't speak to the high end raiding, but I haven't run into something I couldn't tank in PvE yet.
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