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Riivan's Avatar

07.16.2012 , 12:15 PM | #11
Vigilance Guard
1. The perception is we're still below par dps and lack the survivability of Sentinels.

2. The more I play the more I have been able to squeeze out substantial dps on par with other hybrid classes. I do lack some of the survivability of Sentinels, however knowing when damage is going to occur and positioning yourself appropriately makes it a moot point.

Hybrid Guard
1. We're too squishy and cannot hold threat outside of one or 2 targets.

2. I am able to hold aoe threat though maybe not as well as if I were full defense spec. Because I balance my stats appropriately and utilize Blade Barrier and Riposte I am not as squishy as people think.

dufox's Avatar

07.16.2012 , 12:22 PM | #12
1. How do you think your Guardian spec is perceived by other classes?
as a tank/dps we are considered a threat but not over powered.

if your a pure dps guardian most people will prolly see you as someone who is not playing their class to the best of its potential. (in 1.3)
people who look for dps will not ever say we need a guardian dps.

2. How do you perceive your own spec?
11/28/2 -

i can tank pve and not have any problems with agro or staying alive.
pvp i benefit my team but the loss of addrenals kinda took the "burst" out of my burst dps . we are not under powered but losing addrenals and 2 relic cd's makes the "burst" random and way less efficient.
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Geryboy's Avatar

07.16.2012 , 12:25 PM | #13
1. How do you think your Guardian spec is perceived by other classes?

inferior in holding threat and receiving too much dmg on bosses who can't be reflected.

2. How do you perceive your own spec?

threat is ok. Sometimes spiky dmg received. On Bosses who can't be reflected inferior mitigation. 28% defense. 49% shield 47 % absorb 4 piece set bonus. 24k Hp.
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LarryRow's Avatar

07.16.2012 , 12:35 PM | #14
Playing defense/Vig hybrid in dps gear for pvp and tanking in tank gear in pve (wish you had separate questions for pvp and pve)

1. How do you think your Guardian spec is perceived by other classes?

In PvE we are seen as fine for dealing damage or tanking, if specced appropriately. Never had a problem with perception here.
In PVP, good players understand Guardians make good and valuable tanks. The biggest problem with how we are perceived: Focus is seen as being far superior to Vigilance. And of course, we are perceived as the gods of huttball

2. How do you perceive your own spec?

I perceive full Defense as practically useless in unranked pug PvP. I am still trying to decide between 29/12 or 17/24 for team pvp. 17/24 has good balance of damage and survival, great for 1v1 and group fights. Full Vigilance is fun and flows well, easy to manage resources, damage can feel subpar, or maybe it's a skill-cap issue; however, Focus is kind of a pain, bit of a one-trick pony, and less fun for me. Class is a blast in huttball!

PVE: I perceive myself as very viable in any spec, and the class is a blast to play!

Thank you for soliciting and reading our feedback!
PS As you can see I play various specs. I wish there was a cheaper/more convenient way to dual spec so I could play how I wanted in pvp and pve.

Darzil's Avatar

07.16.2012 , 12:55 PM | #15
1. Not really had class related feedback relayed to me.

2. I'm 18 Defence / 23 Vigilance tanking spec. Seems pretty good, a little weak with aoe aggro, but not too bad. Have to use taunts well, but that's better than never having to try. My issues are how squishy tanks are against internal/elemental damage, and how crazy it is that my highest damaging attack is hitting someone with the hilt, not the blade, of a lightsaber!

AlyxDinas's Avatar

07.16.2012 , 12:56 PM | #16
Vigilance Guardian

1. How do you think your Guardian spec is perceived by other classes?

I think that we are generally thought of as subpar when compared to our other melee counterparts, in both PvP and PvE.

2. How do you perceive your own spec?

I think the general perception is somewhat confused. For PvE, I find the AC to be relatively competitive with peers, if requiring a bit more focus during play. It could be brought more on target with other mDPS classes though. In PvP, we have some fair tools. Force Push is appreciated and quite useful, and the mechanics involving our instant CD on Master Strike even though other classes have tools that make that ability much better than when we use it.

In all, the spec can be fun. For PvE. Sometimes. PvP, I don't think it's too competitive in the least. I think it is a fun class to play but not an effective one.
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Blev's Avatar

07.16.2012 , 01:03 PM | #17
My feedback will relate to tanking.

1. How do you think your Guardian spec is perceived by other classes?

Weakest of the tanks in many areas such as damage output and threat generation. We do, however, have the superior tank cooldowns in comparison to other classes.

2. How do you perceive your own spec?

Defense specced Guardian is just not effective enough, especially at the highest end of the tree. There aren't any tank specific abilities up there that you can't get elsewhere and are better elsewhere (see Inner Peace versus Commanding Awe, Courage versus Effluence). Quite frankly, I find the Hybrid Vigilance/Defense spec far superior than just straight Defense. Upper Defense tree needs an overhaul, and honestly, the entire tree probably needs an overhaul by starting with ditching the Soresu Focus generation penalty and adjusting all the abilities in the lower tree.

Guardian tanks are extremely weak in terms of AE threat generation and the lowest tank in terms of damage output. We also are the lowest tank in terms of defense stats, lagging behind a full 10% (or more) in Shield and Absorption in comparison to our Shadow and Vanguard counterparts. Part of that can be made up with Blade Barrier, however, not all of it.
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Sorenia's Avatar

07.16.2012 , 01:05 PM | #18
1. How do you think your Guardian spec is perceived by other classes?
I don't really see people talking about Guardians much. Maybe a little bit of whining about the focus bomb spec but that's it.
2. How do you perceive your own spec?
Vigilance is just a poor spec. The focus management is far too delicate. The talent point cost for the basic spec is too high and leaves you with a spec that feels incomplete. Master Strike is also pretty problematic in PvP without a root.

Paladan's Avatar

07.16.2012 , 01:09 PM | #19
1. How do you think your Guardian spec is perceived by other classes?

A.) I think other classes see Guardian Tanks as decent tanks, provided they are well geared and know how to play their class, though we seem to be known as having a hard time holding AOE agro and if spec'd right we don't do much damage. It seems as though a Guardian really should be the most desired tanking profession in a group instead of simply an adequate tank.

2. How do you perceive your own spec?

A.) As a Guardian Tank I don't expect myself to do alot of damage but I would like to be able to do enough to help my groups out and to maintain agro without having to spam my taunts - it feels like my taunts are really the only way I am able to hold agro on a single target and I often loose agro on mobs when I am trying to agro a boss or champion as well as the mobs nearby.

I WOULD like to see a Guardians Defense Rating and Shield Rating and Absorb Rating be more useful / beneficial - I can accept not doing much damage but being well geared I should be able to hold alot of agro and take quite a pounding (thanks, hopefully, to a high Defense Rating, Shield Rating and Absorb Chance).

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07.16.2012 , 01:20 PM | #20
My Guardian is specced Vigilance right now. I haven't tried tanking with her yet.

1. How do you think your Guardian spec is perceived by other classes?
Honestly I never really hear people talk much about Vigilance. When they do it's because they complain about Unremitting.

2. How do you perceive your own spec?
I was surprised at how well Vigilance can deal damage, so in that respect I think the spec is fine. However, survival as a Vigilance spec is terrible. Basically a Vigilance Guardian is like a weak Sentinel: most of the offense but worse utility and much worse survivability.