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More Obvious PvP imbalance than Biochem's Adrenals

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More Obvious PvP imbalance than Biochem's Adrenals

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Smashbrother
07.11.2012 , 02:17 AM | #21
I'm all for making it purchasable with credits, but let's be honest here. Getting past chapter 2 for a class is easy as ****. You don't need to level them to 50, just finish chapter two.

I haven't tried this, but maybe if you had a high level friend help you, you might be able to just finish all your class quests up to chapter 2 w/o having to get level 40 ish.

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Funick
07.11.2012 , 02:17 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by KhalDrogoe View Post
Which brings up another valid point! People can effectively stack one class and not be at a disadvantage buff wise if they had someone grind out the legacy. In my opinion if they're not bringing one of those classes, they should have to HAVE that disadvantage in RWZ's.
which 8 mans are you worried about that would be missing a buff otherwise? yes certain classes are more commonly used but pretty much any optimal set up I can think of has all 4 buffs represented. yes you can stack one class but it would already be suboptimal regardless of buffs.

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MoofKnight
07.11.2012 , 02:31 AM | #23
So, because you don't want to level up alts to maximise your PvP potential, you want the benefit of doing so removed from the game, or at least from PvP?

Well, I don't want to have to grind out valor and commendations, can't we just make War Hero gear available to buy for credits? Or even better, make it free? That way, as soon as I'm level 50, I can go toe to toe with the guys who have been grinding out PvP at 50 for weeks because I demand an equal playing field. C'mon, lets make it fair 'an all!

The argument goes both ways and both are equally pointless. I love the fact that you have the ability to gain shared benefits for all your characters. Yes it's effort and yes, until you get them it means your weaker than someone who has them, but the same goes for everything in life. Except for one key point, we have equal opportunity to get them.

I have 1 alt, and I play casual. I don't have all the buffs; but the option to go get them is awesome.

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MoofKnight
07.11.2012 , 02:32 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Tyrias View Post
Whatever happened to the concept of "You want a specific bonus, you go out of your way to get/earn it"? This really isn't any different from saying:

"It's not fair that some people have played more PvP but less PvE than me have full War Hero sets:

1: Make it so that War hero gear is purchasable with just credits.
2: Make it so that War hero gear isn't better than other stuff so that time invested doesn't equate to a bonus."

That's pretty much what you're saying, except with a different subject. There's nothing stopping you from going out and getting these buffs for yourself, it didn't have it's availability limited to a specific time frame.

Secondly, at some point, I imagine they will be purchasable with credits. I recall Bioware saying that some things were going to start off as legacy only unlocks and then transition into credit unlocks in the future.

If you're not content to wait for when/if that happens, then you have to ask yourself how much the buffs mean to you. If they are that massive a difference to your viability, as an avid PvP'er you'll gladly go out and acquire the buffs. If they're not that massive that they warrant you putting effort in, then it's probably also not worth complaining about.

As a side note: Most dedicated PvPers that I know have rolled multiple classes, and that was before the buff sharing came into effect. They do it because a good PvP player knows the other class almost as well as their own, which is a level of understanding you can only genuinely get by playing it yourself.
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MoofKnight
07.11.2012 , 02:36 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by KhalDrogoe View Post
Which brings up another valid point! People can effectively stack one class and not be at a disadvantage buff wise if they had someone grind out the legacy. In my opinion if they're not bringing one of those classes, they should have to HAVE that disadvantage in RWZ's.
Whut? Please explain how I can bring all of the classes to get the buff, without:
  • Having the legacy buff, because you want it removing
  • Having at least 4 PCs and playing them simultaneously with skill
  • Being in a pre-made?

Oh, so now you're forcing me to play pre-made? Anything else you would like to change about the way I play?

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Asmok
07.11.2012 , 02:49 AM | #26
All I hear is that Im too lazy to level toons up to Have the same buffs as everyone else yadda yadda blah blah blah .

As you are now bringing this up you could have rolled all 4 toons to level 40 and recieved the buff simple really in the time frame you have stated from when this went live and or from when the game went live.
Alot of people have done this and have no issues with it.

I for one have done it and I reapply that buff almost like it was second nature cuz thats what I do even in combat and around others. For I know that people just dont buff so I made sure that I do it as much as possible to pick up the slack of others who didnt or wont take the time to actualy prepare themselves .Not my fault or any one elses fault for that matter on the ones who took the time and grinded that out. Plus it was stated that certain legacy item was going to happen for some time. Point that finger at the mirror and only blame your self or selves for not taking the oppurtunity to actualy be prepared.

It is really not that hard or difficult to do the things in this game compared to older mmo's this game is a cake walk .
People need to stop complaning on everything and anything that doesnt suit them and or fit in there agenda because they didnt do it or what ever. IT's old and silly, When will people actualy do things for themselves again anyone ?
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Stncold
07.11.2012 , 02:57 AM | #27
As somebody who has 3 Buffs and will likely have the 4th within a week, I'm not opposed to them being buyable or disasbled in PvP.

I don't really think they are that strong, but they do provide an advantage.
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THAAC
07.11.2012 , 03:25 AM | #28
Is there no end to these kid's "I can't be arsed to put in any effort, give me everything free" attitude?

Why shouldn't people who are willing to put in more effort, get more rewards? There is nothing but your bone-idiol laziness stopping you levelling toons just to chapter 2 for the extra buffs.

What next? Going to cry about augments? Because you are too lazy to level a prof to make creds to affort to put augment slots on your gear? Boohoo...why should I actually have to do something to get something...I want it free...and right now!

SWTOR could be sponsored by Tomy anyway...basically a "My First MMO" with how easy it is, and you whining kids come on here and cry about having to put any effort in to achieve something?

People put in a lot of effort to get the best stuff....there should be a difference between them and the lazy gits walking around in greens and blues. Stop trying to dumb this game down even more than it already is.

SWTOR is likely to go Free-to-Play end of Aug anyway...then you can just buy anything you want for real money. Perhaps then you will be happy (or not because it is unfair to you that people with jobs can afford the best gear)

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LenrocNewDawn
07.11.2012 , 04:24 AM | #29
Stacking the buffs do have some benefits. But, you should remember that this is a MMORPG, what you do in game is supposed to shape and affect your avatar. Dividing time across several character types will give the benefit of buffs but means less time spent for gearing a single one. Both paths have their pluses and minuses and you trying to iron out the minuses for your chosen path is understandable but not necessarily the correct approach.
I do admit that I have 3 of the buffs available for my chars and I'd hate to lose them (although I'm sure I'll be just fine if that will happen) since I spent time acquiring them. You can unlock them too and while doing that you'll get a better understanding of the other classes strengths and weaknesses, besides your main I mean.
I also tend to rebuff often when in a war zone and not only in the spawn.

Stay positive and enjoy the game o/.
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Fdzzaigl
07.11.2012 , 04:56 AM | #30
There is definitely an advantage to having multiple class buffs. Sure you get buffed at the start, but when you die and get back into the fight immediately, you'll often only end up having your own buffs, 5% crit / endurance / power can make a pretty big difference then.

But I'm fine with it personally, the more reasons for people to get off the fleet and into the world, playing the actual game instead of the grind, the better imo.