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DarkDruidSS
07.10.2012 , 08:43 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
It may not qualify as "spam", but it would certainly qualify as trolling, which isn't permitted here on the forums, nor should it be permitted in-game. If your trolling in General Chat becomes a disruption, you should be silenced. Having "fun" doesn't mean you can do whatever you like. I understand it's a fine line, but it's fairly clear when it's crossed.
What are the rules and restrictions for general chat? How do they differ from any other in-game channel? If you are going to strictly regulate chat channels then are guild channels excluded? If so then why? Because if there is supposed to be some standard that is clearly defined then it should be upheld across all channels in the game, correct? Where is this fine line and how is BioWare supposed to realistically enforce this line without the aid of players reporting other players?

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07.10.2012 , 08:49 AM | #62
I really think it's amusing that people are so upset by Jawas. If it were just one person spamming over and over again, I can see the GMs doing something about it. But I can almost guarantee that the people who spam things like "YOU ARE ALL IDIOTS" 100 times in a row to drown out the jawa are more likely to get a chat ban then like 80% of the server having fun.

Here is a novel idea. If your ignore list is full and for some reason you can not leave general despite the overwhelming amount of jawa happening, you can always create your own anti-jawa general chat channel.

Step one:
/join NoJawasAllowed

Step two:
/1 If you are sick of seeing underclass jawa wherever you go, just /join NoJawasAllowed so that you can use the channel for all things general without having to interact with those disgusting jawas!

Step three:
Monitor your channel carefully and if you see any Jawa sympathizers you ban them from your channel that clearly states no Jawas allowed.

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TUXs
07.10.2012 , 08:54 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by DarkDruidSS View Post
What are the rules and restrictions for general chat? How do they differ from any other in-game channel? If you are going to strictly regulate chat channels then are guild channels excluded? If so then why? Because if there is supposed to be some standard that is clearly defined then it should be upheld across all channels in the game, correct? Where is this fine line and how is BioWare supposed to realistically enforce this line without the aid of players reporting other players?

Nothing is ever black and white. There are all kinds of grey inbetween and it's the grey part that people never agree on.
Guild chat is voluntary, General Chat is a community chat channel, and I would argue it's the most important channel in the game. I don't care what you say in your guild chat.

The restrictions would be the same that are given on the forums. This is even GENERAL DISCUSSION. If it's trolling HERE, it's trolling in-game. If you can't understand that your Jawa joke isn't funny to everyone, I hope they silence you until you learn what General Chat should be used for. Maybe by observing, it will become clearer.
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DarkDruidSS
07.10.2012 , 09:00 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Guild chat is voluntary, General Chat is a community chat channel, and I would argue it's the most important channel in the game. I don't care what you say in your guild chat.

The restrictions would be the same that are given on the forums. This is even GENERAL DISCUSSION. If it's trolling HERE, it's trolling in-game. If you can't understand that your Jawa joke isn't funny to everyone, I hope they silence you until you learn what General Chat should be used for. Maybe by observing, it will become clearer.
Clearly general chat is supposed to be general...which encompasses all things... even Jawas. I'm not sure if you knew this... but this is a Star Wars game. Jawas are actually in this game. It's game related and Star Wars related to talk about Jawas. Just because you find it offensive doesn't mean it actually is offensive to anyone else. Which is exactly my point on what is this "clearly defined" general chat regulation that you thought up? Because it's obviously not so clearly defined.

Add to this. I understand that politics, religion and other very heated topics with clearly defined positions are off limits. Just like anything that shouldn't be discussed in front of kids... mature content. I just don't see how Jawas or Jawa movie titles alone is offensive. I can see the titles being offensive, but then it's not the Jawas that caused the problem...
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TUXs
07.10.2012 , 09:10 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by DarkDruidSS View Post
Clearly general chat is supposed to be general...which encompasses all things... even Jawas. I'm not sure if you knew this... but this is a Star Wars game. Jawas are actually in this game. It's game related and Star Wars related to talk about Jawas. Just because you find it offensive doesn't mean it actually is offensive to anyone else. Which is exactly my point on what is this "clearly defined" general chat regulation that you thought up? Because it's obviously not so clearly defined.
Negative. Try that on these forums and see how well it goes over. Trolling is trolling and it's obvious - stop pretending it's some freaking 'grey area' when it's not. Start a troll post about Jawa's here and see how long it lasts. Test your theory.

And stop pretending to know what I think - I'm not offended by it, I honestly don't give a **edit** if you wanna spam it all flipping day - I really don't care. My POINT is that it's foolish for Bioware (as a business) to allow several people the ability to overwhelm the default, and most critical channel, with trollish and childish crap under the guise of it being 'fun'. They have the right to, and I would also say, the responsibility to, keep the channel as free from trolls as they can.
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psi_overtake
07.10.2012 , 09:10 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Niktika View Post
I really think it's amusing that people are so upset by Jawas. If it were just one person spamming over and over again, I can see the GMs doing something about it. But I can almost guarantee that the people who spam things like "YOU ARE ALL IDIOTS" 100 times in a row to drown out the jawa are more likely to get a chat ban then like 80% of the server having fun.

Here is a novel idea. If your ignore list is full and for some reason you can not leave general despite the overwhelming amount of jawa happening, you can always create your own anti-jawa general chat channel.

Step one:
/join NoJawasAllowed

Step two:
/1 If you are sick of seeing underclass jawa wherever you go, just /join NoJawasAllowed so that you can use the channel for all things general without having to interact with those disgusting jawas!

Step three:
Monitor your channel carefully and if you see any Jawa sympathizers you ban them from your channel that clearly states no Jawas allowed.

Problem solved! If you have any other questions or issues, please feel free to contact me on PotF.
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TUXs
07.10.2012 , 09:12 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by DarkDruidSS View Post
Add to this. I understand that politics, religion and other very heated topics with clearly defined positions are off limits. Just like anything that shouldn't be discussed in front of kids... mature content. I just don't see how Jawas or Jawa movie titles alone is offensive. I can see the titles being offensive, but then it's not the Jawas that caused the problem...
See, you're only looking at it as being 'offensive'. Dude, nothing you, or anyone here, can say would be "offensive" to me. What the spamming/trolling posts of Jawa crap (or any crap tbh) can be though, is "disruptive". Disruptive use of the chat channel should be moderated.
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DarkDruidSS
07.10.2012 , 09:12 AM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Negative. Try that on these forums and see how well it goes over. Trolling is trolling and it's obvious - stop pretending it's some freaking 'grey area' when it's not. Start a troll post about Jawa's here and see how long it lasts. Test your theory.

And stop pretending to know what I think - I'm not offended by it, I honestly don't give a **edit** if you wanna spam it all flipping day - I really don't care. My POINT is that it's foolish for Bioware (as a business) to allow several people the ability to overwhelm the default, and most critical channel, with trollish and childish crap under the guise of it being 'fun'. They have the right to, and I would also say, the responsibility to, keep the channel as free from trolls as they can.
So you're basically arguing for the sake of arguing... which is trolling... correct?

To be clear. My point is general chat is general. You can talk about pretty much anything that doesn't violate TOS/EULA. If people are being annoying to you then it may not be annoying to everyone. In which case you need to take responsibility for yourself and use filters that were implemented in the game for a reason. I don't see why BioWare has to do anything drastic to deal with people you find annoying just because you don't want to read what they are talking about... especially if they are not in voilation of the terms.
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TUXs
07.10.2012 , 09:59 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by DarkDruidSS View Post
So you're basically arguing for the sake of arguing... which is trolling... correct?

To be clear. My point is general chat is general. You can talk about pretty much anything that doesn't violate TOS/EULA. If people are being annoying to you then it may not be annoying to everyone. In which case you need to take responsibility for yourself and use filters that were implemented in the game for a reason. I don't see why BioWare has to do anything drastic to deal with people you find annoying just because you don't want to read what they are talking about... especially if they are not in voilation of the terms.
No. I'm debating the topic.

My point is also quite clear, and one you seem hell bent on ignoring - if it's trolling HERE, it's trolling in-game. That's the bottom line. Bioware polices their forums, they should police the game. I'm not asking for anything "drastic" either, just simple moderation.
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Niktika
07.10.2012 , 10:14 AM | #70
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