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The Stagnation of MMO industry/genre and why

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The Stagnation of MMO industry/genre and why

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Tahana
07.04.2012 , 11:00 PM | #181
Quote: Originally Posted by twinionx View Post
I do admit this could be the main reason.

I also think that if they don't START to think about this, on one is going to solve this.

The reason why we can fly now is because of so many people constantly attacking the problem of flight until the Wright Brothers found the solution.

I don't think we are able to fly if people has the feeling that "if we're meant to fly, we would have wings by now".

The same goes for single-shard technology.

Players must want it.

Developers must want to make it.

The rest is just an engineering problem to be solved.
I don't disagree with the premise. But you are oversimplify the problem. While I'm not the most knowledgeable nerd I am a nerd none-the-less. I am the type of nerd that fusion splices fiber optic cable for a living. So I have some kind of an idea of the limitations.

There are -
Hardware Issues
- Server (mobo, processors, memory, system buss etc)
- Network
OS Issues
Backbone Issues

That would all have to be addressed. It isn't as simple as putting in a larger network or more fiber optic cable.
What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to
what lies within us. - Ralph Waldo Emerson -

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Baphomet_x
07.04.2012 , 11:00 PM | #182
Quote: Originally Posted by twinionx View Post
What SWTOR is or is not, is determined by the designer. If they don't want to design it like second life, that is their prerogative. But that also means they didn't want a few more million subscribers as well.

Every designer has to decide what niche their products wants to be. If you design your product to be easy to use and fun, where even a two years old can use, then you have your hit. As is what Apple did with iPhone.

As a business, they have to decide if they want to have market share or not. I leave it up to the investors to decide.
that wasnt a good idea referencing apple..apple is not a good example because of something more ancient and powerfull..that makes the operating system for 95% of the entire world`s computers and servers

microsoft...bill gates is supremely rich for a reason,richer than anyone that ever worked at facebook or apple ever has been or will be

and also,samsung ripped the top seller spot out of apple`s hands sometime ago..look it up

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twinionx
07.04.2012 , 11:03 PM | #183
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
And your point is what exactly, you can do that in mmos now. People can log in to take out an operation, kick some serious touche in battlegrounds, rp there faces off pretending to live in the virtual world or craft there hearts out and work the economy.
No I can't. That is the point. I can't do eternity vault at level 42 because I need to level to 50 first, then get some gear first.

I can't do hammer station at level 40 and still have some semblance of fun or challenge (I could run it but basically, I would blow all the mobs away there is no meaning really)

As a bounty hunter, I can't do bounty jobs for the republic (and smuggling jobs as smuggler for imperials).

I can't visit Tatooine at level 1. Well, I can visit Tatooine at level 20 but I will not last long.

There is little or no reason to go back to Hutta or Ord Mantell once I am level 50, unless it is for story reason.

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Shingara
07.04.2012 , 11:03 PM | #184
Quote: Originally Posted by twinionx View Post
I'm happy that you finally come to realise something.

So my question is, why can't the "working as a team on new tactics or go head to head agains others" be something that is doable for everyone, everyday?

Why have a level 50 wait for a level 1 to level to 50 so these two can have fun together? Or worse, never have fun together because they belong to different servers?
You really should read what i have written because we are talking about totally seperate things and your just trying to fit what i say into what you think which is the polar opposite. What your basically saying is why have levels or servers. Levels are there as that is the way the game is setup. Nearly all games are setup like that because they are competative mmos.

So answer me this, Where is the competative edge in being able todo the hardest thing on day one. where do you learn your class and what is the point of leveling or playing for the majority of players.
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Baphomet_x
07.04.2012 , 11:03 PM | #185
Quote: Originally Posted by twinionx View Post
So do you follow the current clone wars tv series then (the 3d version)?

no..and mostly because i dont have cable service,or tv at all.and im too busy playing through the next kotor disc after having burnt out several others with repetitive playthroughs...

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twinionx
07.04.2012 , 11:06 PM | #186
Quote: Originally Posted by Tahana View Post
I don't disagree with the premise. But you are oversimplify the problem. While I'm not the most knowledgeable nerd I am a nerd none-the-less. I am the type of nerd that fusion splices fiber optic cable for a living. So I have some kind of an idea of the limitations.

There are -
Hardware Issues
- Server (mobo, processors, memory, system buss etc)
- Network
OS Issues
Backbone Issues

That would all have to be addressed. It isn't as simple as putting in a larger network or more fiber optic cable.
I am asking for the equivalent of space flight when we are currently in WW2 era flight technology. Something that is hard but doable in time. I am not asking for time traveling.

Single shard tech exist already for games like EVE online. You can also do a workaround with a cross-server EVERYTHING. So the intermediary tech is already there. The only thing lacking is the WILLPOWER to do this.

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Baphomet_x
07.04.2012 , 11:08 PM | #187
Quote: Originally Posted by twinionx View Post
I am asking for the equivalent of space flight when we are currently in WW2 era flight technology. Something that is hard but doable in time. I am not asking for time traveling.

Single shard tech exist already for games like EVE online. You can also do a workaround with a cross-server EVERYTHING. So the intermediary tech is already there. The only thing lacking is the WILLPOWER to do this.
illogical..the network if you say,is outdated...then the strain of massive,bandwidth eating cross server traffic will cause massive lags which will break the experience

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twinionx
07.04.2012 , 11:10 PM | #188
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
You really should read what i have written because we are talking about totally seperate things and your just trying to fit what i say into what you think which is the polar opposite. What your basically saying is why have levels or servers. Levels are there as that is the way the game is setup. Nearly all games are setup like that because they are competative mmos.

So answer me this, Where is the competative edge in being able todo the hardest thing on day one. where do you learn your class and what is the point of leveling or playing for the majority of players.
The problem is you see things as a series of different difficulties. Why does it have to be the "hardest" thing?

I see it as a pure theme park. If I want to go to ride the magic mountain immediately, I should be able to do so the moment I enter the gate. After that, I may try out other softer and fluffy options. This is what a theme park MMO should be.

At the current status, this is more like a guided tour theme park. I am not allowed to ride magic mountain until start riding the rotating saucer cup first and before that, I must visit the drink stations first. And oh, in order to ride that magic mountain? I must have 10 friends who are of the same age as me. Otherwise, sorry, I can't.

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twinionx
07.04.2012 , 11:11 PM | #189
Quote: Originally Posted by Baphomet_x View Post
no..and mostly because i dont have cable service,or tv at all.and im too busy playing through the next kotor disc after having burnt out several others with repetitive playthroughs...
That's too bad because the series is also pretty decent and can give you the answer of how and why SWTOR can adopt such a story format and last many years.

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twinionx
07.04.2012 , 11:13 PM | #190
Quote: Originally Posted by Baphomet_x View Post
illogical..the network if you say,is outdated...then the strain of massive,bandwidth eating cross server traffic will cause massive lags which will break the experience
I'm sure the Wrights Brothers have heard many people saying its not possible to fly, especially given the many failures of those before them.