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Malrus
07.02.2012 , 02:41 AM | #1
Are the book adaptations of the movies the same grade cannon as the movies or the same grade as any other star wars novel.

Because I read somewhere that in the movie just before Dooku died George Lucas had more dialogue planned for him where he was begging palpatine for his life, but Christopher Lee spoke to George and they both agreed that it would be out of Dooku's character for him to beg for his life. Whereas Dooku is shown to be begging for his life in the novel adaptation. But I'm not certain of this since I haven't read the ROTS novel yet.

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07.02.2012 , 07:57 AM | #2
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Wolfninjajedi
07.02.2012 , 09:06 AM | #3
But to answer the question anyway, yes the novelizations of the movies since they are pretty much the movies themselves are G-canon along with the movies.
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ScarletBlaze
07.02.2012 , 09:12 AM | #4
This might help with any questions you have regarding canon


G-canon is absolute canon; the movies (their most recent release), the scripts, the novelizations of the movies, the radio plays, and any statements by George Lucas himself. G-canon overrides the lower levels of canon when there is a contradiction. Within G-canon, many fans follow an unofficial progression of canonicity where the movies are the highest canon, followed by the scripts, the novelizations, and then the radio plays.

T-canon[4] refers to the canon level comprising only the two television shows: Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the Star Wars live-action TV series. Its precedence over C-Level canon was confirmed by Chee.

C-canon is primarily composed of elements from the Expanded Universe including books, comics, and games bearing the label of Star Wars. Games and RPG sourcebooks are a special case; the stories and general background information are themselves fully C-canon, but the other elements such as character/item statistics and gameplay are, with few exceptions, N-canon. S-canon is secondary canon; the story itself is considered non-continuity, but the non-contradicting elements are still a canon part of the Star Wars universe. This includes things like the online roleplaying game Star Wars: Galaxies and certain elements of a few N-canon stories.

N-canon is non-canon. "What-if" stories (such as stories published under the Star Wars: Infinities label), crossover appearances (such as the Star Wars character appearances in Soulcalibur IV), game statistics, and anything else directly contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N-canon is the only level that is not considered official canon by Lucasfilm. A significant amount of material that was previously C-canon was rendered N-canon by the release of Episodes I–III
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Eternalnight
07.02.2012 , 09:26 PM | #5
They are NOT fully G-canon!!!

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon

"Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon."

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Wolfninjajedi
07.03.2012 , 07:04 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Eternalnight View Post
They are NOT fully G-canon!!!

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canon

"Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon."
Yes they are, if you look at what you posted.

Elements originating with Lucas] in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon.

The novels are based off the scripts of the movies, so therefore they had elements originating from Lucas therefore they are fully G-canon.
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grandmthethird
07.03.2012 , 07:10 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Yes they are, if you look at what you posted.

Elements originating with Lucas] in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon.

The novels are based off the scripts of the movies, so therefore they had elements originating from Lucas therefore they are fully G-canon.
a little bit off topic (sorry)

did the scripts come before the novels then?
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Maaruin
07.03.2012 , 07:47 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by grandmthethird View Post
a little bit off topic (sorry)

did the scripts come before the novels then?
Yes, the scripts are written by Lucas as basis for the movies and the novels.
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Wolfninjajedi
07.03.2012 , 08:48 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by grandmthethird View Post
a little bit off topic (sorry)

did the scripts come before the novels then?
Ya it goes

script < novel = movie

I am taking a guess, that while the movie is in production that the novel is being written as well. So that is why, there are a few differences with the novels(along with little tid bits of the author's imagination) and it being released before the movie is.
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Eternalnight
07.03.2012 , 09:48 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Yes they are
No!

Quote:
if you look at what you posted.
As a matter of fact I do. It is you who don't look at what is being posted

By saying "Yes they are" to comment about them being fully G-canon you are saying they are fully G-canon, which they are not.
(Fully G-canon = 100% G-canon = there is not even one word in those books that is not G-canon)

If that were the case then there would not even be need for this statement:
"though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon."
Which you completely ignored.


and you don't even seem to get what this means:
Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon.
As even this part of the quote alone contradicts your claim about them being fully G-cannon.

Elements originating with Lucas are G-canon = Elements that don't originate with Lucas are not G-canon


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The novels are based off the scripts of the movies, so therefore they had elements originating from Lucas therefore they are fully G-canon.
That's just wrong.

Now go back and read this:
"Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon."

Again:
"Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon."

And one more time:
"Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon."


Those books have both elements originated by Lucas and elements created by the authors of those books (which even if they were the lesser part, are still there). Therefore they are partially G-canon and partially C-cannon.

That which is partially G-canon and partially C-cannon, is not fully G-canon.