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LarryRow
12.17.2012 , 01:14 PM | #11
The last Phase of Lorrik is a dps check. All the smart tanking and heals in the world won't save you if you dps too slow. There is a stacking uncleansible DoT that will unavoidably kill you if your dps is slow.

Compare this to the LR-5 where good tanking and healing really can make up for slow dps as long as you don't hit enrage or kill quickly after enrage.

How do you know you had the highest dps? Were you in their parser?

The Flashpoint is supposedly balanced for Tionese, which is why it drops Columi. However, most would agree it is VERY challenging in full Tionese. Do you not have any Black Hole gear at all? You should be able to get 1-2 pieces within a day or so of hitting 50.

I think you should get a couple more powerful pieces of gear and keep the above info in mind. But I also agree with other posters that there is a good chance you were the scapegoat for the guildmates who didn't want to admit to their own shortcomings.
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DarknessInLight
12.17.2012 , 02:41 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by el_Bizzle View Post
Was in a group last night (with LFG tool) and ran Lost Island HM. Got to the very last boss. I was DPS with my Merc and had 750-930 damage. Nearly full Columi with two other pieces of Tionese but I did have gear set bonuses.

They kicked me on the 3rd try (first two the others in the group died, last time I died I got stuck and died, not totally my fault as I know what to do).

Was the kick fair? I had the highest DPS. The other three were all in the same guild and they tended to place a lot of blame on me for things that didn't really seem to be my fault..
I don't know if I would call the kick fair. Having said that, the group CAN remove you if they feel you aren't getting it done in a FP or Ops.

I have bad news. You had mixed Tionese/Columi. You will not survive LI with Tionese anything.

You might get by with full Columi(w/augments), but the rest of the group will have to carry you.

You would have a better time with full Rakata(w/augments).

What I would do is:

1. Get full Rakata and augment EVERYTHING you can.

2. Get as much BH as you can(including Implants) and start putting the level 61 mods from the main BH armor(Head, Chest, Legs, Feet) into your Rakata pieces. The reason you want to do this is so you can maintain the set bonuses that comes with the Rakata set, while having more the more powerful mods, enhancements, etc., that come from the BH pieces.

3. Sell the BH shells to make some cash(from a medical droid or other vendor). They should go for about 3,500 credits each.

Dr. Lorrick is one of the toughest bosses in the game if you don't know what you are doing. It's okay if you're undergeared. We all were at some point. Know your limits because when you cause(inadvertent as it may be) your group to repeatedly wipe, you are forcing those players to pay a large amount to repair their damaged armor. I have paid significant amounts to repair armor after wipes, and let me tell you, it isn't cheap.

Do your dailies, run all other HM FP's so that you can start collecting Columi. Then go from there.

Hope this helps.
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Brimmer
12.17.2012 , 07:34 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by DarknessInLight View Post
I don't know if I would call the kick fair. Having said that, the group CAN remove you if they feel you aren't getting it done in a FP or Ops.

I have bad news. You had mixed Tionese/Columi. You will not survive LI with Tionese anything.

You might get by with full Columi(w/augments), but the rest of the group will have to carry you.

You would have a better time with full Rakata(w/augments).

What I would do is:

1. Get full Rakata and augment EVERYTHING you can.
I've done LI before as a dps and a healer with half Tionese / Columi.

Skill (awareness + decent reaction time) beats gear advantages any day. The gear the OP had was fine, the guild group were likely arrogant of their abilities, and instead of accepting the facts that he was better than their guild member, they chose to boot him.

LI isn't a single bit difficult, all it requires is decent gear (which he has) and the most important a decent reaction time. Only time I've ever wiped in LI is when the pug I'm in has people that react slowly to the signals of danger.
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Continue to queue with the gear you have, it's enough to do well with. If you ever see a group of 3 guild members, just leave the flashpoint, it's not worth it. Pre-mades ruin PVE just like they do to PVP.
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Ms_Sunlight
12.17.2012 , 08:01 PM | #14
I've tanked LI HM with my powertech in Columi with Rakata implants and a Battlemaster blaster. It's perfectly do-able. Easier with better gear, but not impossible without. I do think full Columi is about as low as an averagely skilled player, rather than someone super elite, can go. For what it's worth, I'm definitely not super elite!
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SleepyKing
12.17.2012 , 08:20 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by ATAMIANM View Post
My DPS is somewhat low because I don't have a Columi MH (it drops in this FP I believe with Lorrick).
For a Marauder/Sentinel (as well as Gunslinger/Sniper), you can can actually get the offhand from Battle of Ilum and rip out the mods to put them in your mainhand. You don't need full Rakata or even full Columi to complete LI - it's much more about mechanics than raw DPS. And mechanically, it can be very challenging.

In reply to the OP, yep, I've had that experience too, and it burned me for a long time. Early on, I ran a healer who kept getting wiped on Ilum (at the boss battle where there are constant waves of adds; it's skippable, but apparently nobody in the group knew that at the time). The three other players were guildmates of each other who heaped abuse on me for not healing them fast enough. After that, I actually quit my healer and made DPS character; when I became more experienced I realized that the problem had actually been the DPS players, who were focussing on the boss and not dealing at all with the adds (who monstered my healer, forcing me to spend all my cool downs on myself). I think perhaps the tank knew that, but didn't want to criticize his fellow guild members.

The only thing to do, really, is try not to let it get to you. Add them to your ignore list and go on; I usually find that after every bad experience, you'll find a good one just around the corner

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davethick
12.17.2012 , 08:54 PM | #16
I've Done LI HM in Tionese/Colmui as a tank. Yep its doable but thats because i knew what was going on.

The group i did it as a Tank, the healer even complained that my HP was to low for a tank but i ended up proving him wrong.
If your not sure on how things work in LI HM do the SM first and learn that, there is a few things in SM that aren't in the HM but its easy to figure out.

and yes i've had groups like you had that kick because they are in the same guild, its not nice but don't let it get ya down.

if you have problems with GF then shout in General on the Fleet and start a group there.

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FlyinSpaghetti
12.17.2012 , 10:02 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by DarknessInLight View Post

You might get by with full Columi(w/augments), but the rest of the group will have to carry you.

You would have a better time with full Rakata(w/augments).
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Rakata? Full (or mostly) columi is enough, I've done it without rakata anything and I dont rate myself as a good player and I've done it as melee dps and melee tank.

The problem with LI HM is not that that it's a huge gear check, it is more than possible to do it in tionese if you are basically a god at your class and know which abilities/rotations to prioritize at certain moments and resource management for healers etc. However lets be clear the average pug in tionese is not going to be a god at their class, they are going to make mistakes like most people who are new to end game.

The only thing bioware are achieving by saying tionese is OK for the minimum requirement are a lot of frustration and wipes, it just wastes peoples time when some comes along a GF run and says "Sorry Im new..." followed by death or/and agro then "sorry I fail" then a quit group. It's not so much a gear problem but an experience problem, tionese players especially pugs don't have the experience to progress onto this next stage of endgame... where as someone who at least has earned some columi pieces has that mindset and the end game experience to progress on to the next level of mechanics and unforgiveness for mistakes.
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Khevar
12.17.2012 , 11:05 PM | #18
One thing that can happen in fighting Lorrick, is you spend a lot of time moving around, dodging the green goo and the satchel charges, resulting in dps downtime.

On my Commando, which has an excessive amount of long-cast-time attacks, I basically tell the healer not to worry about cleansing the green goo, as I can cleanse it off myself. I then have to be less careful about moving during that stage. If I'm in the middle of a cast, I'll let it finish, fire off an instant attack while moving, and then cleanse when I get to a safe spot.

I had a dramatic increase in dps from doing this, as it reduced the amount of dps downtime. As a Mercenary, you can do the same thing. Give it a try the next chance you get and see if that helps.

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DarknessInLight
12.18.2012 , 10:32 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Brimmer View Post
I've done LI before as a dps and a healer with half Tionese / Columi.

Skill (awareness + decent reaction time) beats gear advantages any day. The gear the OP had was fine, the guild group were likely arrogant of their abilities, and instead of accepting the facts that he was better than their guild member, they chose to boot him.

LI isn't a single bit difficult, all it requires is decent gear (which he has) and the most important a decent reaction time. Only time I've ever wiped in LI is when the pug I'm in has people that react slowly to the signals of danger.
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On a side note OP:

Continue to queue with the gear you have, it's enough to do well with. If you ever see a group of 3 guild members, just leave the flashpoint, it's not worth it. Pre-mades ruin PVE just like they do to PVP.
Right, but when is enough.....enough? I understand and agree that it could be done with the gear he has, but you guys are putting faith in GF to provide a team he can trust. Faith that is almost certainly misplaced.

You dont really know the skill or knowledge of the players your grouped with until that first mob or boss encounter. Then you'll get a rough idea how its gonna play out.
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Ephesia
12.18.2012 , 10:40 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by el_Bizzle View Post
Was in a group last night (with LFG tool) and ran Lost Island HM. Got to the very last boss. I was DPS with my Merc and had 750-930 damage. Nearly full Columi with two other pieces of Tionese but I did have gear set bonuses.

They kicked me on the 3rd try (first two the others in the group died, last time I died I got stuck and died, not totally my fault as I know what to do).

Was the kick fair? I had the highest DPS. The other three were all in the same guild and they tended to place a lot of blame on me for things that didn't really seem to be my fault.

Am I just not geared enough for it? You HAVE to have full Columi even if it looks like you have the highest DPS?

Seems if we had made it to the last boss we were good enough to finish it. I spent three hours getting there and spent literally $50k in repairs and all for nothing! I'm considering unsubbing because of this! How many groups are like this? Seems like a lot. Sort of ruins the game for me.

Now I could just go to PVP but I don't enjoy PVP right now. I haven't seen all the ops and fps yet so I'm sitll going to play PVE but dang, I'm pretty discouraged with this game right now.
To be honest I understand that if they don't want someone Tionese geared (even if 2 pieces) in the group, they can kick you at the beginning with explanation. But to kick you at the 3rd boss on the third try? Sorry that's just asinine, or you are not telling the whole story, OR you are not totally familiar with the boss mechanics
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