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Reasons Galen Marek is NOT a Gary Stu

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Reasons Galen Marek is NOT a Gary Stu

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Captain_Zone
06.29.2012 , 03:38 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfninjajedi View Post
Galen isn't even overpowered much less a Gary Su, but ya know people just love to go off of game mechanics as actual canon.
Very true. Same with Kyle Katarn... He's Kyle Katarn. His power is second only to John Williams. *nods*
. OPOD
The New Jedi Code: "Keep Calm & Carry a Lightsaber"

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YoshiRaphElan
06.29.2012 , 04:29 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Captain_Zone View Post
Very true. Same with Kyle Katarn... He's Kyle Katarn. His power is second only to John Williams. *nods*
And Revan. I love Revan and I get so annoyed when people accuse him of being a Demigod, or a Gary Stu, ect.

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Captain_Zone
06.29.2012 , 06:21 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by YoshiRaphElan View Post
And Revan. I love Revan and I get so annoyed when people accuse him of being a Demigod, or a Gary Stu, ect.
Revan is Kyle Katarn.... with less Beard. (Same voice actor)
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Mordegrus
06.29.2012 , 07:33 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by YoshiRaphElan View Post
I've heard many arguments that Galen Marek is a Mary Sue/Gary Stu. Therefore I'll take the most common arguments and tell you why they don't necessarily mean he's a Gary Stu.

1. He's supposed to be light side but he uses Force lightning.

So does Mara Jade. Read Dark Nest I, and she tells a Dark Jedi that the Order makes some exceptions, and that they are sometimes allowed to use lightning. Therefore it is entirely possible for Galen to use it without falling to the Dark Side.

2. He's way overpowered.

It's a video game. By this logic, Kyle Katarn, Jaden Korr, Revan, and the Exile are Gary Stus/Mary Sues. If you read the novel, it makes him a lot less powerful that the game. Gameplay mechanics explains that one.

3. He brought down a Star Destroyer.

There was a Jedi named Dorsk 81 who actually killed himself FORCE PUSHING SEVENTEEN Star Destroyers. So it is possible to bring ONE down without dying, because pulling is easier than pushing - because the Destroyer's engines are going toward you if you pull it.


Give me anymore reasons he is a Gary Stu and I'll give you the reasons he's not.
Who's Gary Sue?
“Equality is a lie…A myth to appease the masses. Simply look around and you will see the lie for what it is! There are those with power, those with the strength and will to lead. And there are those meant to follow—those incapable of anything but servitude and a meager, worthless existence.”

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Maaruin
06.29.2012 , 07:36 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Mordegrus View Post
Who's Gary Sue?
The male form of a Mary Sue.
"I was one of many. We were servants of the dark side… Sith Lords, we called ourselves. So proud. In the end we were not so proud. We hid… hid from those we had betrayed. We fell… and I knew it would be so."
-Ajunta Pall

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Mordegrus
06.29.2012 , 07:48 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Maaruin View Post
The male form of a Mary Sue.
Ah...
I see...
“Equality is a lie…A myth to appease the masses. Simply look around and you will see the lie for what it is! There are those with power, those with the strength and will to lead. And there are those meant to follow—those incapable of anything but servitude and a meager, worthless existence.”

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GarfieldJL
06.29.2012 , 10:15 PM | #27
If we're going to argue about what is canon or not canon, I think Lucas made a ruling about no more Wookiee Jedi, not to ret-con the ones that are already in novels, so I don't think Lowbacca got ret-conned, just we aren't going to see any more Wookiee Jedi unless Lucas changes his mind. The thing that brought this about was the crazy book that had a Hutt whom had once been a Jedi and that's what caused him to say no more. Considering the fact I think Lowbacca's force abilities became known after the book in question had come out (can't remember the book off the top of my head but I'm sure someone else knows), I think Lowbacca's force abilities were cleared. I think we can say that Lowbacca is a case that Wookiees may show up with force abilities like 1 or 2 in 5 to 10 generations (and Wookiees live a long time). Remember we haven't seen any other Wookiee Jedi in NJO.

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Captain_Zone
06.29.2012 , 10:35 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by GarfieldJL View Post
If we're going to argue about what is canon or not canon, I think Lucas made a ruling about no more Wookiee Jedi, not to ret-con the ones that are already in novels, so I don't think Lowbacca got ret-conned, just we aren't going to see any more Wookiee Jedi unless Lucas changes his mind. The thing that brought this about was the crazy book that had a Hutt whom had once been a Jedi and that's what caused him to say no more. Considering the fact I think Lowbacca's force abilities became known after the book in question had come out (can't remember the book off the top of my head but I'm sure someone else knows), I think Lowbacca's force abilities were cleared. I think we can say that Lowbacca is a case that Wookiees may show up with force abilities like 1 or 2 in 5 to 10 generations (and Wookiees live a long time). Remember we haven't seen any other Wookiee Jedi in NJO.
Correct. Lowbacca got "grandfathered" in as the last surviving Wookiee Jedi. George doesn't like the idea, so he said "No more Wookiee Jedi" or "No new Wookiee Jedi". It was, however, a retcon of more Wookiees becoming Jedi. When George doesn't like something, it gets changed. There were also two Wookiee Jedi who served the Republic during the Rise of the Empire era, shortly before the Prequels. Both died, yet now they're in the new comic series from Dark Horse in flashback stories. They aren't "new" Wookiee Jedi, so I guess George doesn't have a problem with that.

George hasn't used his retcon ability much, as far as personally changing something, but when he does, it's a doozy. Hey, he even did it to himself a few times. From Original OT to the New OT. ugh....
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Eillack
06.29.2012 , 10:39 PM | #29
What people don't see....

A) TFU I and II make Starkiller and Galen Marek OP
- the books give realistic powers and weaknesses

B) Regarding some of Starkiller's and Galen Marek's abilities; you do know that Vader trained Starkiller sinse he was a youngling who already had a promising future. Vader tortured Starkiller with the Darkside and used that power to corrupt him completely.
-Galen Marek had excellerated cloning memories and severe survival training

C) The Star Destroyer incident that people ALWAYS confuse on
- The Star Destroyer was falling towards his location already! After the destruction of the shipyard, the shockwave pushed that Star Destroyer in Starkiller's direction; he own changed its course towards the ground.
- On Clone Wars the mini series you see Yoda slamming CIS Droid Transports together above Coruscant as the sacking occured...then there was EU Luke and Leia...I mean c'mon read the book and pay attention to what's happenign outside of the game.

*The most important thing to remember: The GAME and BOOK are completely different! The BOOK IS CANON, while the game is a summary of what happened mixed with OP abilities so that the player can have FUN. Pay attention*

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Malrus
06.30.2012 , 02:59 AM | #30
I wish a lot more EU was retconned, its a mess.

Also, I wish Bobba Fett was eaten by that sarlacc and that was it.
Also could someone tell me if it is canon that the gamorrean guard that jabba's rancor ate survived or not. I hope he didn't.