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Nightmare Pilgrim should be an instance


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wainot-keel
07.10.2012 , 01:30 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by KiranK View Post
"Just deal with it" is a piss poor argument. Nightmare pilgrim trolling just devolves into a "no one wins" scenario. We show up and pull, Sithies attack the boss, paranoia counter goes over 16 and everyone dies. Imps pull the boss, I add on, paranoia over 16, everyone dies. Now, NO ONE, can run the boss. BUT WAIT, WE CAN JUST DEAL WITH IT. That's the same as offering no solution. It's just an endless cycle of hate, screwing one another over. How is that fun? You can't just let the other faction have it once the trolling has started, because then they'll simply do it every time to guarantee only their faction(or guild) can farm the boss. You're virtually forced into participation of pure stupidity. Is this how world bosses were meant to be done? If so, then the intention to begin with severely flawed. Eliminate world bosses ENTIRELY and switch to world dungeons, where content is protected and instanced. "It's meant to be this way" is just as stupid of an answer as "Just deal with it".
We haven't tried NP with my guild yet, but I'm kinda confused. Can someone easily make the group wipe, without the PVP flag on any of them ? If so, well... it's BS then. It's giving the ability to trolls and griefers to engorge themselves with it. Pretty stupid.

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DiLune
07.10.2012 , 01:54 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by wainot-keel View Post
We haven't tried NP with my guild yet, but I'm kinda confused. Can someone easily make the group wipe, without the PVP flag on any of them ? If so, well... it's BS then. It's giving the ability to trolls and griefers to engorge themselves with it. Pretty stupid.
If more than 16 people attack Nightmare Pilgrim it auto-kills everyone.

So, if you have 16 people in your Op and someone else, another group (could be opposing or same faction) runs in and attacks him, auto kill. Have him to 10%? Zerg, auto die. Attempt over. Its awful game mechanics.

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sphyg
07.10.2012 , 03:07 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Zerocrypt View Post
From SWTOR:


"Thank you for contacting us regarding your report that you were harassed by Republic players from the "Chatos Paladins" Guild where you were flagged for PvP and were interrupted with your Nightmare Pilgrim PvE event. I understand your disappointment regarding this issue on a PvE server and your advised that PvP flag were not your doing. We will investigate this issue, and take any appropriate action in accordance with our policies and procedures regarding the reported players Omniscient, sphyg and dreskord.

Please be aware that we are unable to discuss any actions taken against another player’s account, and so we will not be in any further contact with you regarding this report. We are sorry to hear that you have encountered issues during Player versus Environment (PvE) gameplay. "

Among other things I submitted to SWTOR about Sphyg and the his group. Also submitted the screen shots via email with 0 flagged persons as well as his crew coming in flagged.

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I am happy to say they still have my ticket open and keep asking for more details.
I'm happy to report that I haven't been banned nor will I be banned. All I did was attack people flagged and talk a little trash. If I do get banned it will be another case of bioware cozying up with the winers.

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oredith
07.10.2012 , 03:21 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by DiLune View Post
If more than 16 people attack Nightmare Pilgrim it auto-kills everyone.

So, if you have 16 people in your Op and someone else, another group (could be opposing or same faction) runs in and attacks him, auto kill. Have him to 10%? Zerg, auto die. Attempt over. Its awful game mechanics.
an interesting note (bug?).

if you have more than 16 people in your raid, but only 16 fighting him, if the extra people are in semi-close proximity (like at the camp on the ledge above him), you will actually get credit for the kill.

found that out last week when we were trying to figure out who's gonna sit out, and had a couple that weren't fighting and just sitting around watching.
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Fossman
07.10.2012 , 03:30 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by sphyg View Post
I'm happy to report that I haven't been banned nor will I be banned. All I did was attack people flagged and talk a little trash. If I do get banned it will be another case of bioware cozying up with the winers.
I very much doubt that anyone is going to be banned for straight up killing another player in open world enviroments. Now getting banned for constantly griefing raid groups by getting them killed over and over could be considered exploiting (exploiting a broken game mechanic) and would most likely be bannable. Something to keep in mind for those of you considering it.

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TresNight
07.10.2012 , 06:44 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by sphyg View Post
I have tried to duplicate what you said happened a few times with a sith buddy. It didn't happen bro.
My bad I didn't add this part if you run into my AOE with your flag on. Mine get turned on.

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TresNight
07.10.2012 , 06:46 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Fossman View Post
I very much doubt that anyone is going to be banned for straight up killing another player in open world enviroments. Now getting banned for constantly griefing raid groups by getting them killed over and over could be considered exploiting (exploiting a broken game mechanic) and would most likely be bannable. Something to keep in mind for those of you considering it.
According to SWTOR GMs this method is totally acceptable to do.

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Fossman
07.10.2012 , 09:22 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by TresNight View Post
According to SWTOR GMs this method is totally acceptable to do.
Surprising. thats like the definition of an exploit lol.

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wainot-keel
07.11.2012 , 06:51 AM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by sphyg View Post
I'm happy to report that I haven't been banned nor will I be banned. All I did was attack people flagged and talk a little trash. If I do get banned it will be another case of bioware cozying up with the winers.
So your honest, honest intention was just enjoying a pvp match with a couple of random players, not to cause the wipe of 16 people. Right.

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sphyg
07.11.2012 , 07:21 AM | #50
You fill find no evidence if me attacking the boss. Attacking players fighting the boss, unless of course thu attacked me. There were about 25 sith players down there. I switched to PVp once my buddy got attacked.

Never struck the boss. Never attacked anyone while fighting a boss. Ask the dude who files the complaint. He'll tell you the same thing.