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Can SM Denova be done in augmented war hero?


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zeshakha
06.25.2012 , 02:05 AM | #11
Story mode Denova is all about execution and personal ability with gear helping to make things easier. Once you figure it all out it becomes another time to have fun and goof around.

If your guild already knows how to do it and you can follow directions, well there won't be an issue.

If however your guild is still struggling to learn how to do the bosses I can understand why they may be a little hesitant to bring you along. If you don't normally do operations with them and they are unsure of how you perform, asking them to test you in denova may be a little... harsh. Especially since it sounds like you haven't done it before. Nightmare KP is around as hard as Storymode Denova, just something to think about. Either way, make sure you look up the fights and watch how they are done (yes I know you can go in there and experiment, but asking a group to bring along a new person who has no idea how to do the fights is wasting their time as well.)
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AshlaBoga
06.25.2012 , 02:36 AM | #12
Can SM Denova be done in Augmented War Hero?

Firstly, yes.
Secondly, it would be really hard. Try and get some Rakata from doing HM EV. A Rakata Augmented-War Hero mix should be able to do Story EC with moderate difficulty. You could just go straight to Story EC, but you'd just be making it harder on yourselves.

I've seen Story EV and KP done with a full recruit 8 man. I've seen HM EV and HM KP done in a BattleMaster Recruit mix, but both times it was highly skilled players succeeding, despite, not because of their gear.'

My suggestion again is go and do HM EV, then do Story EC after some of your group has gotten some Rakata. HM EV should only take you at most 90 minutes - if it takes longer I'd actually advise against attempting Story EC just yet.
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Tatebomb
06.25.2012 , 02:40 AM | #13
Assuming you've done a bit of itemizing augmented WH rivals rakata easy and you're not holding anyone back in SM EC. The only real difference is the armoring slot so you'll lose some main stat and end there. Augments close that gap. With 1.3 and augments for everything augmented rakata will beat you handily but unless they make EC harder you'll be fine.
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Crixaliss
06.25.2012 , 02:51 AM | #14
The important thing about gear isn't what it calls itself (WH/rakata/whatever) but what its actual stats are. So tell us, what are your stats like in your augmented WH gear? Main stat, bonus damage, crit, multiplier, etc, others if you're not dps.

And you can always compare that with what the equivalents in your guild have and see if they still think you're undergeared compared to them or what.

The name of the gear isn't important, or whether people think its only for PvP or PvE, whats important is what stats it gives you!

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Thanatus
06.25.2012 , 09:11 AM | #15
Well using http://swtor.askmrrobot.com I compared WH (no augments) with Rakata (Campaign main weapon) Master sets for sith sorcerer and here's what I got

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				Diff		Rakata	WH [augmented]
Primary			
Strength			0		105		105
Presence			0		225		225
Aim				0		52.5		52.5
Cunning			0		52.5		52.5
Endurance		-79.8	1592	1512.2
Willpower		-146.5	1458	1311.5
Secondary
Power			151		107		258
Accuracy		0		0		0
Alacrity			-151		363		212
Crit				-191		556		365
Surge			165		153		318
Defense			0		0		0
Shield			0		0		0
Absorb			0		0		0
Melee
Damage (Pri)		26.8		368.6 - 530.6		408.4 - 570.4
Bonus Damage	39.8		44.6		84.4
Accuracy		0		90.00%	90.00%
Critical Chance	0.71%	22.82%	23.53%
Critical Multiplier	7.45%	68.32%	75.77%
Force
Bonus Damage	45		606.2	651.2
Bonus Healing		33.3		436.7	470
Accuracy		0.00%	100.00%	100.00%
Critical Chance	-0.15%	31.82%	31.67%
Critical Multiplier	7.45%	68.32%	75.77%
Force Regen Rate	0		8/s		8/s
Activation Speed	-3.92%	10.82%	6.90%
Defense
Health			-758		18420	17662
Armor Rating		105		2508	2613
Damage Reduction	0.63%	18.85%	19.48%
Defense Chance	0.00%	5.00%	5.00%
Shield Chance		0.00%	0.00%	0.00%
Shield Absorption	0.00%	0.00%	0.00%
The PVP stats are omitted as there's no question there. For PVE, the above suggests that WH is at least as good as Rakata. Since WH I used for the comparison does not have any augments these stats should be more-or-less preserved after 1.3.
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CitizenFry
06.25.2012 , 09:49 AM | #16
Why does your Sorc have more STR, AIM, and Cunning in War Hero than Rakata? (My guess would be you have class buffs on for WH but not for Rakata. You probably want to update the numbers accordingly. )

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Thanatus
06.25.2012 , 10:22 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by CitizenFry View Post
Why does your Sorc have more STR, AIM, and Cunning in War Hero than Rakata? (My guess would be you have class buffs on for WH but not for Rakata. You probably want to update the numbers accordingly. )
sorry, copied those incorrectly from excel
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TheRealCandyMan
06.25.2012 , 11:47 AM | #18
OP,

Your gear is more than enough. SM Denova can be done in full columi gear and War Hero, much less fully augmented War hero, is a lot better than Columi. I suggest finding a new guild if they refuse to take you.

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Maestrodomus
06.25.2012 , 12:47 PM | #19
We have DPS in WH doing EC HM light up the parse. You'll be fine.
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Infalliable
06.25.2012 , 01:00 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Thanatus View Post
Well using http://swtor.askmrrobot.com I compared WH (no augments) with Rakata (Campaign main weapon) Master sets for sith sorcerer and here's what I got
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The PVP stats are omitted as there's no question there. For PVE, the above suggests that WH is at least as good as Rakata. Since WH I used for the comparison does not have any augments these stats should be more-or-less preserved after 1.3.
You have 191 less crit rating, and 146 less willpower and the crit chances are nearly identical? I guess you're that close to the DR limit?

And fractional main stats?

Seems odd.