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Can we, as a community, eliminate the "Grass" and "Snow" in Alderaan?

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Can we, as a community, eliminate the "Grass" and "Snow" in Alderaan?

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Ibiza-Vin
06.20.2012 , 11:30 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by LeggoMyMuoio View Post
But why do we need to add the extra thought process, especially for newer players who don't know yet. If someone says "go west", I go west. If someone says "grass", I have make the connection that grass is west and I need to go west.
It's not that complex of a thought process. Pre-transfers, I don't think I've ever heard east/west on Port Nowhere (imp side, at least). It's always been snow/grass. We just got used to that. Plus it's easy to see which side is snow and grass from mid.

Also, you avoid the frantic "INC WEAST" problem with snow/grass

But as others have pointed out, you should know both terms. They will both always be used.
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Varicite
06.20.2012 , 11:30 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by LeggoMyMuoio View Post
But why do we need to add the extra thought process, especially for newer players who don't know yet. If someone says "go west", I go west. If someone says "grass", I have make the connection that grass is west and I need to go west.
This is pretty much exactly where I'm coming from. I don't have "grass" and "snow" ingrained into my psyche from decades of learning.

Cardinal directions are far more intuitive for me.

With all that said, I don't really care what you call them, as long as you DO call them when necessary. The time it takes for me to figure out what the heck you're talking about isn't worth complaining about as long as we save the node.
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newwb
06.20.2012 , 11:32 AM | #23
you know nothing, grass snow

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Dmasterr
06.20.2012 , 11:33 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Bewoulff View Post
NO, East or West DOES NOT change if you use your minimap. It is ALWAYS oriented north. No matter what direction you start from, it is always oreiented north. And it matters because Snow and grass need to be explained. West and East are already established and accurate. Unless public school failed you.
You quoted the wrong guy.

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kitsinni
06.20.2012 , 11:33 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Bewoulff View Post
Nope, East and West are always constant when going off the minimap.
Of course east and west are constant that is the entire basis of the words east and west and the concept of a map. East being left or right from the start area is going to change depending on where you start. The point is you can say grass and no one needs to look at where they are and compare that to the map they know exactly where the help is neeeded.
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Bewoulff
06.20.2012 , 11:34 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by UGLYMRJ View Post
1. I think it's pretty safe to say that grass and snow or both universally understood as well. Also safe to say that more people on this planet recognize grass as being green and snow being white than people that are familiar with a compass or map. (If you don't believe me ask the tribes of south Africa) Novarre Coast excluded since the nodes are actually named by "south. east and west)
2. Right and Left on voidstar are and should be based on direction from spawn and always have been. I have had very little problems with this on my servers.
3. Both of the above are probably easier and quicker for MOST people to recognize as unfortunately many people are not so familiar with it that they can recognize it in split seconds where as EVERYONE IS familiar with their right and left, grass and snow since being a small child.
4. I feel these options are possibly better for the fact that even though in some cases and in some people's opinions they may be less "accurate"... they are however more recognizable and can be computed by the brain faster by most people giving an even quicker reaction time.
5. WHO CARES????
That's where I say you're flat wrong. For example, first time you played PVP and someone just said, "SNOW! SNOW!! SNOW YOU IDIOTS!!!" You're standing there going, "What the fu--". where as if he had just said "WEST!" I would've gone... oh all right. Snow and Grass are recognizable by their colors. Sure. But seeing as it's stupid, and east and west are ALREADY there, why go difficult and create another direction unless people have no idea what east or west are? Since I don't pay attention to what side has grass or snow, it doesn't matter if I'm standing in the middle. When my team mates scream GRASS GRASS GRASS like a bunch of idiots, I'm flipping a coin on if I should run east or west. Oh crap... I just ran east into a bunch of snow.

And anyone PLAYING a PVP match should care. If one of your objectives is being attacked, you're wasting time trying to figure out which stupid direction people are talking about. I makes me remember the days when I delivered furniture. Intelligent, knowledgable people would say addresses, directions, etc... Stupid people would say things like, "Once you pass the walmart go through the light. Then the next light. then the next light. Then the next light. Then turn at the mcdonalds." It's stupid, wastes time, and loses PVP matches.

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Bewoulff
06.20.2012 , 11:36 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Dmasterr View Post
You quoted the wrong guy.
I quoted the person above me to address the previous 3 posts.

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Varicite
06.20.2012 , 11:37 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by kitsinni View Post
Of course east and west are constant that is the entire basis of the words east and west and the concept of a map. East being left or right from the start area is going to change depending on where you start. The point is you can say grass and no one needs to look at where they are and compare that to the map they know exactly where the help is neeeded.
That's not really true on servers like mine where we always used East / West and sometimes Left / Right.

I never saw anyone say Grass / Snow until after transfers, and it took some getting used to because I look at the mini-map instead of trying to call upon my photographic memory to recall which side the snow was on.
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UGLYMRJ
06.20.2012 , 11:41 AM | #29
First... when we all first started playing this game most of ur were so useless it doesn't matter if we went in the right direction. Second... how long did it take to figure out what grass and snow looked like in game? 1 match?
And are you trying to tell me you learned your north, south, east and west as a child before you learned what grass and snow was?

I understand that it makes more sense to you... and I actually completely agree. I worked in the transportation industry as a dispatcher for years and I MYSELF am very used to using compass/map based directions. However... my point is that most people probably are NOT. And everyone here knows what grass/snow is... so yes... who cares what they say as long as they say it. I believe MOST people will have a quicker reaction time to snow or grass just knowing which way to go instead of checking the minimap. I know at this point whether they call east, west, snow or grass... I just go. Anyone who doesn't know the difference isn't going to be worth anything to the team anyways cuz it would literally have to be their first civil war match.

I repeat.... we ALL know the difference. So WHO CARES!!!! This is probably the second silliest complaint next to the guy who was whining about finishing his weekly before they reinstated the 300 coms.

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Aaroneus
06.20.2012 , 11:42 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Bewoulff View Post
That's where I say you're flat wrong. For example, first time you played PVP and someone just said, "SNOW! SNOW!! SNOW YOU IDIOTS!!!" You're standing there going, "What the fu--". where as if he had just said "WEST!" I would've gone... oh all right. Snow and Grass are recognizable by their colors. Sure. But seeing as it's stupid, and east and west are ALREADY there, why go difficult and create another direction unless people have no idea what east or west are? Since I don't pay attention to what side has grass or snow, it doesn't matter if I'm standing in the middle. When my team mates scream GRASS GRASS GRASS like a bunch of idiots, I'm flipping a coin on if I should run east or west. Oh crap... I just ran east into a bunch of snow.

And anyone PLAYING a PVP match should care. If one of your objectives is being attacked, you're wasting time trying to figure out which stupid direction people are talking about. I makes me remember the days when I delivered furniture. Intelligent, knowledgable people would say addresses, directions, etc... Stupid people would say things like, "Once you pass the walmart go through the light. Then the next light. then the next light. Then the next light. Then turn at the mcdonalds." It's stupid, wastes time, and loses PVP matches.
Well, after the first couple of games having learned that west is mostly grassy and east is completely snowy, I am able to put the complex puzzle pieces together to come to the ambiguous conclusion that when a team mates says grass, he means west. and if he says west, that also means the grassy node. For someone new, sure, I can see this being confusing. But so are most other things about a new game. They'll get the hang of it eventually.