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Kurugi
06.16.2012 , 12:34 AM | #1
That's pretty much how I end up towards the end of a major boss fight in FPs and even during Heroic 4's. I'm only 17 so I'm guessing this gets better once I reach 20 and get Noble Sacrifice and Rejuvenate, but even then I don't see Noble Sacrifice being that amazing without the Resplendance talent which I won't be able to get till the mid-late 30s.

Granted, if there's no healing to be done I'm usually throwing out some damage, so I'm expending force then as well. Is this a mistake in group content? Is it better to just stand around waiting till healing needs to be done instead of "wasting" force on doing damage? I might be using Force Armor too liberally as well. I pretty much reapply it to the tank as often as I can, but it's quite expensive to use.

I really just wanted to know when I can expect to get a bit more healing longevity on my sage since our resources don't have the potential to maintain itself as well as other class' resources.

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SandsOfArrakis
06.16.2012 , 01:17 AM | #2
When I'm on healing duty I usually don't do any DPS at all. Only time I'll do so is after a group of mobs only 1 is left. And I have time & Force to spare between heals to throw out a bit of DPS.

I'm casting Force Armor on the tank every cooldown as well. Costs Force sure. But you save a bit of Force that way. Because you don't have to heal the damage the Armor absorbs Plus it acts as a buffer if your target takes a load of damage at once.

Not throwing out a lot of DPS will save you a lot of Force in the long run. Force you're going to need later on in the game Just got to level 50 with my Sage and I've been healing like this since Hammer Station onwards. Esseles is very forgiving and hardly needs healing.
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Quilpo
06.16.2012 , 04:31 AM | #3
If you don't have the two talents from the foot of the Kinetics tree, one that increases your force pool and the other that decreases the cost of abilities, I'd recommend getting them ASAP, maybe once you get Rejuvenation as the cost reduction on Deliverance will also help.

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Kumakichi
06.16.2012 , 11:02 AM | #4
To OP maybe its your gear. I've done many FP's with people who go in with abismal gear. I mean come on, proper level greens cost almost nothing and would give them a huge boost in every aspect.

I'm not sure how your going OOF because I couldn't do it if I tried on one boss unless I spammed my insta dot over and over without letting it tick full duration. I'm lvl 29 but I did FP's from Hammer Station to Cademinu and can't recall going OOF but maybe a couple times

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Kurugi
06.16.2012 , 11:54 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Quilpo View Post
If you don't have the two talents from the foot of the Kinetics tree, one that increases your force pool and the other that decreases the cost of abilities, I'd recommend getting them ASAP, maybe once you get Rejuvenation as the cost reduction on Deliverance will also help.
Is it really worth getting your talented healing abilities 5 levels later to get those 2 talents early?

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JMarchini
06.16.2012 , 02:36 PM | #6
I also don't do a lot of DPS when I'm on healing duty as well, save for the occasional Weaken Mind or Mind Crush. Throwing Force Armor on the tank helps out a lot as well, and should always be cast when on off cooldown, because that absorbs the amount of damage that the tank takes and then you can heal him/her effectively or you can throw out a heal on another DPS.

If you continually use Deliverance (your big, slow cast heal) you will run OOF real fast and be out of luck, so as minor as the healing is for Benevolence, use it often, unless your party member is taking too much damage for it to be effective.

Once you get Rejuvenate and then put points into Conveyance, your heals will be much more efficient as that will increase the effect of your next healing ability. Also, learn when to use Force Potency (like if your tank's health is running low, Force Armor him/her, use Force Potency and then heal as that will improve your healing ability.

But that's just me, there are others with more experience with healing.

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Pubsam
06.16.2012 , 04:34 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Kurugi View Post
Is it really worth getting your talented healing abilities 5 levels later to get those 2 talents early?
It's been a while, but until you pick up Healing Trance, I would say getting your TK tree points first is a good idea. Getting Rejuvenate + Conveyance is useful, but again, it's how they work with Healing Trance and Salvation even later that actually makes those talents vital.

As for the OP, what I do when leveling is do a little math to find what heal will be the most efficient use of force/energy/ammo, etc. and that is my goto... as in I don't cast the other heals unless it's an emergency. If I recall when leveling my Sage, until you talent it Force Armor is rather inefficient. I didn't cast it on the tank on CD, rather used it as an emergency heal.
Time for a nap.

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Kurugi
06.16.2012 , 09:06 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by JMarchini View Post
If you continually use Deliverance (your big, slow cast heal) you will run OOF real fast and be out of luck, so as minor as the healing is for Benevolence, use it often, unless your party member is taking too much damage for it to be effective.
Wouldn't Benevolence run you OOF faster? It costs like 5 force less but casts 1 second faster. Seems a lot less efficient to me. From what I've read the only real use Benevolence has is if your target is low and won't survive long enough for a Deliverance to get off.

Quote: Originally Posted by Pubsam View Post
It's been a while, but until you pick up Healing Trance, I would say getting your TK tree points first is a good idea. Getting Rejuvenate + Conveyance is useful, but again, it's how they work with Healing Trance and Salvation even later that actually makes those talents vital.
Well I'm level 20 now and just picked up Rejuvenate. Should I go ahead and respec to get the 5 points in TK or just put my next 5 points there? Or go ahead and get conveyance and then put points in TK?

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SandsOfArrakis
06.17.2012 , 03:04 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Kurugi View Post
Well I'm level 20 now and just picked up Rejuvenate. Should I go ahead and respec to get the 5 points in TK or just put my next 5 points there? Or go ahead and get conveyance and then put points in TK?
I went with the 5 points in Telekinetics first as well. Sure you'll get your healing abilities 5 levels later. But the extra Force and Force cost reduction really helped offset that
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shadowflit
06.17.2012 , 03:58 AM | #10
I leveled with the 7 telekenetics points most of the way, swapped once I could reach Salvation (by that time you know your force regen, and have NS), and then put them back into Telekenetics as I continued leveling.

At low levels you probably need more Force Armor, but as you go up, don't always use it. It's great for the oh **** moments where you need to buy time, and if you're using it constantly it might not be available.

I often end fights OOF at 50, but that's a choice to not bother with regen mechanics in the short fights and dpsing like crazy when not healing. If you're ending up OOF because of your addition of dps, that's not a bad thing. If you're ending up OOF and just healing, you're probably overhealing.