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Same gender relationships clarifications?

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Same gender relationships clarifications?
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Darth_Gao_Gao
07.31.2012 , 08:32 PM | #561
lol you actually think they are taking any time at all to do anything remotely related to this. i'll be back in ~25 pages to gloat.

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Zandilar
07.31.2012 , 09:37 PM | #562
Quote: Originally Posted by MusedMoose View Post
Excellent point, and thank you. I wasn't really worried that the sky was actually falling, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who's heard nightmare stories about F2P games turning into the sort of thing where nearly every action you could do beyond "attack", "loot", and "die" had a charge attached. Though now that I think about it, they might be a bit exaggerated. Thanks for the reassurance, though.
Well, they have a subscription option. Which is pay for a completely unlocked game, in this case. Free players still get the story content, but they're restricted in other areas. Anyone with a subscription won't have to pay to unlock anything in the basic game, though it appears that there will be items to buy - but even then, subscription players get a stipend of their micro-transaction currency just for playing. It remains to be seen how generous the stipend is, though.
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Kioma
07.31.2012 , 09:42 PM | #563
Quote: Originally Posted by Zandilar View Post
Well, they have a subscription option. Which is pay for a completely unlocked game, in this case. Free players still get the story content, but they're restricted in other areas. Anyone with a subscription won't have to pay to unlock anything in the basic game, though it appears that there will be items to buy - but even then, subscription players get a stipend of their micro-transaction currency just for playing. It remains to be seen how generous the stipend is, though.
Sounds like how Turbine does it for LotRO.
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MusedMoose
07.31.2012 , 09:48 PM | #564
Quote: Originally Posted by Zandilar View Post
Well, they have a subscription option. Which is pay for a completely unlocked game, in this case. Free players still get the story content, but they're restricted in other areas. Anyone with a subscription won't have to pay to unlock anything in the basic game, though it appears that there will be items to buy - but even then, subscription players get a stipend of their micro-transaction currency just for playing. It remains to be seen how generous the stipend is, though.
Quote: Originally Posted by Kioma View Post
Sounds like how Turbine does it for LotRO.
Yeah, like I said, I'm willing to wait and see how F2P really affects the game. I'm glad at the promise of more frequent content updates, and it'll be interesting to see if this changes the marketing at all - since the storyline is the only thing that's completely unrestricted, they might start pushing it as a selling point again. If that's the case, we might actually see SGRs *GASP!* mentioned as upcoming content, since it's the kind of thing everyone will (at least in theory) have access to.

Considering the haters and nay-sayers' tendencies, I think it would be awesomely hilarious if SGRs ended up attracting people in droves who were glad to see these kinds of relationships available in a game like this.

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Asari-tears
07.31.2012 , 10:10 PM | #565
So any news on the SGR eta? Or if it's happening at all?

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Kioma
07.31.2012 , 10:13 PM | #566
Quote: Originally Posted by MusedMoose View Post
Yeah, like I said, I'm willing to wait and see how F2P really affects the game.
I have to confess that going F2P didn't change LotRO that much. A bunch of players hopped on prior to WoW's Cataclysm expansion coming out which pushed the server populations up. A bunch of people got extremely disruptive in the general channels (not saying they were the same people, I honestly don't know) and then when Cataclysm hit the stands everything quietened down again. I have a lifetime subscription to LotRO so I didn't really feel the pinch of losing a bunch of features but if I didn't have a lifetime subscription I'd be paying for it because it's good enough to warrant it.

Nowadays the payment options are just a Thing that's There. I recently bought the last expansion for it entirely with their Turbine point currency. The impact on the game really wasn't significant as long as you have a subscription. Even without a subscription I'm sure it's a very playable game.

I see the same sort of thing happening to SWTOR and in a way it's good that it's happening so soon in the MMO's life because it'll cement itself in people's minds as Just How It Is quite quickly.

Having said that if relationships are a paid feature at all I'm going to be a little annoyed on principle. If SGRAs are paid and OGRAs aren't I'll quit immediately. Having said that I don't think this'll happen. BW:A would need to be monumentally stupid to thrust their game out there as an example of bigotry in that respect (and, yes, free OGRAs but paid SGRAs would indeed be bigotry).

As long as the paid-feature advertising in-game isn't too excessive I really don't think it'll be an issue. And if the bulk of it is on Nar Shaddaa it could even be considered in-character!
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Uluain
07.31.2012 , 10:18 PM | #567
Quote: Originally Posted by MusedMoose View Post
If at any point, SGRs become an option that requires any kind of payment to access, even Cartel Coins, I will cancel my subscription. I refuse to support a company that would charge extra for equal representation of this sort.
Yes, if they went "Pay to Gay", I have to say I'd be very disappointed. I don't know whether I would continue to play or not. FTP couldn't keep me coming back to LotRO or AION (which didn't hold much for me to begin with) and I am not sure if even my delerious heights of lifelong Star Wars nerdom (I am old enough to have been initially exposed to SW in the original 1977 release - I was eight years old, so it totally hooked me) could outweigh the sense of dismissiveness after all that has been said and all that as yet has failed to materialize in regards to SGR. I like the game for what it is. But I have been led to expect this, and it is important to me. We'll have to see.

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Syvach
07.31.2012 , 11:01 PM | #568
I've got to ask because I haven't been able to figure it out.

What's the A stand for in SGRA?

The Same-Gender Relationship part is obvious, but I can not come up with an A.

Free me from my confusion!

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Zandilar
07.31.2012 , 11:18 PM | #569
Quote: Originally Posted by Syvach View Post
I've got to ask because I haven't been able to figure it out.

What's the A stand for in SGRA?

The Same-Gender Relationship part is obvious, but I can not come up with an A.

Free me from my confusion!
A stands for Arcs, as in story arcs.
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stuffystuffs
08.01.2012 , 08:39 AM | #570
Quote: Originally Posted by Zandilar View Post
This is almost impossible for me to do... There are so many possibilities, and most of you will point out (and rightfully so), that just about anything changing in her past would change her in the present. And that would be when I say, I rest my case.
I just need a few examples and not a listing of all possible changes.

I don't agree that "just about anything changing in her past would change her in the present" if those aspects of her character are not presented in the game...and for this particular character, nothing about her sexuality past or present is presented in game. So, I'll ask it like this...if they'd make Kira an option for females, what would have to change in her over-all character arc beyond the [flirt] lines for females? What stuff that's not even related to romance/sexuality would have to change about her character?

Quote: Originally Posted by Zandilar View Post
It's exactly the point I'm trying to make. Sexuality influences a person in ways that most of us just don't think about or even realize. This is not a bad thing at all, it's simply a part of being human. "PCsexual" characters are unrealistic because their sexuality, which doesn't actually exist except in reflection of the PC, has no influence on them whatsoever at any point in their lives, except in their relationship with the PC. (Keep in mind I am talking about the PCsexual character, not the truly bisexual character.)
But we are talking about video game characters with which we only see a very small portion of their overall personality/history/etc. Again, in today's game, there's no information on Kira's sexuality outside of the possibility of a PC flirting with her...does that make her a poorly written character?


Quote: Originally Posted by Zandilar View Post
Straight Kira meets a young bisexual woman early in her life, she and the woman become friends. The woman has a crush on Kira, Kira is flattered or not, but rejects her advances either way. Later on she meets bisexual/lesbian JK, gets all shy or defensive or whatever depending on the nature of the former relationship, eventually gets over that and is able to gently tease the JK about it.

Bisexual Kira meets a woman, they become friends. Kira gets a crush, makes an advance and is rejected - she becomes embittered and is distrustful of female flirting JK - OR she is rejected gently, is able to come to terms with it, but the friendship falls apart, when she meets female JK she is reluctant to express her interest, lest she loose her new friend. Her reaction to male JK might be different, because she might not have had the same kind of rejection, or she had a wonderful long term relationship with a guy that fell apart when something happened, or whatever... I think you get the picture.
But, again, if a character's past sexual history isn't brought up in game, how would this stuff (that we will never know about) affect other things about the character?

Also, this type of stuff would specifically affect romance conversations. They could still do a PC sexual thing and have Kira mention a female lover in the past for a Fem JK and a male one for a Male JK if they desired.


Quote: Originally Posted by Zandilar View Post
As soon as the character is shown to have had a romantic relationship in the past, you've giving them a discrete sexuality - which might be bi, or gay, or straight, or somewhere in the middle. "PCsexual" characters won't have these kinds of things happening in their past, because they only reflect the PC's sexuality.
How many current romance options are shown to have had a romantic relationship in the past?

Since Kira didn't, is she technically "PCsexual"?

I'm basically still confused by what you are trying to say. It seems like you are saying that romance characters who lack a "sexual past" or any other kind of indication of their sexuality outside of the PC romance are poorly written as romance options (and possibly characters in general) and that these past histories should inform their overall character arc somehow (and not just be a flavor change in the romance).

However, most romance options in BW games (including this one) have characters who lack any of this and it seems like that worked well for them in the past...so why change it? These BW characters have included ones that were open to both genders as well as OGRA exclusive characters.

I personally have no issues with either 'PCSexual" characters or ones that have more defined sexualities in game (Kaliyo)...I can't agree with the blanket statement that "PCSexual" is just bad writing no matter what.
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