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Same gender relationships clarifications?
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chuixupu
01.14.2013 , 05:33 PM | #5251
Well, this is one developer's feelings on the response

http://plenty-for-all.blogspot.com/2....html?spref=tw
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Tatile
01.14.2013 , 05:36 PM | #5252
Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
Well, this is one developer's feelings on the response

http://plenty-for-all.blogspot.com/2....html?spref=tw
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chuixupu
01.14.2013 , 05:38 PM | #5253
true....if they didn't have such a gag order on talking about Makeb for so long and were able to explain more about what is going in to it and why, these things probably wouldn't wouldn't rear their ugly heads.

Actually, who am I kidding. We'd still get all kinds of internet and media rage.
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stuffystuffs
01.14.2013 , 05:40 PM | #5254
Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
"The Gay Planet".

Really, people? REALLY? Not sure if I find this funny or sad at this point.

But hey, SWTOR made it to Fox news.
Haha, there will be like, what maybe 2 flirts.

"OMG there's like two gay people on this planet it's infested with gays!!"
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fabiyun
01.14.2013 , 05:50 PM | #5255
I thought this particular article was quite amusing.
http://www.pcgamesn.com/swtor/star-w...ics-gay-planet

Unfortunately there's little to be said about these readings. It has been an after thought. It has been under a gag order. It isn't going to fix the problem with companions. We are going to have to pay for that expansion. And it is only for high level characters.

Now of course there could be a bunch of reasons for it having happened this way, but the reality still is that it's one mistake after the other, all of which are rather marginalising. Unfortunate. The only hope I have is that this step will mean a change for the better for the future. But that is really only just a hope at this point.


The DA banter really is one of the things that make the game feel alive, and less static than other games. It's a nice feature, I do hope DA3 will continue it. As for SWTOR, I doubt we'll be seeing something like it. Another thing I liked about DA2 is that you can visit some parts of town at night. That'd also be nice in SWTOR, and more easily implemented than changing weather and live planet cycles.
"..the worst kind of DARTH one can dig up!"

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Fyuria
01.14.2013 , 06:17 PM | #5256
The fox news scandal on Mass effect, only helped it, so I wonder what affect this will have.

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SirGladiator
01.14.2013 , 06:21 PM | #5257
I loved the DAO/DA2 dialogue as well, and yes I always imagined that Bethany and that girl you rescue from the crazy Templar and crazy-Anders in act 2 and help reunite her with Bethany, are in fact a couple. Hard to see that kind of dialogue in SWTOR though, since you only have one companion at a time, not two, but I guess they could have the occasional on-ship little scene or something.

There's something really good that hopefully will come out of this whole 'everybody dislikes the way they're doing things' backlash Bioware is getting, and that is that it is making it even MORE obvious what they should've done all along, and should do in the future. It was already mighty obvious, they could've looked at DA2, Skyrim, Fallout NV, DD, etc. but apparently they didn't. There's a reason why Skyrim was unfathomably popular and their romance system wasn't the slightest bit controversial, its because none of the characters are forced to be straight or gay, nobody is anything other than what you want them to be. If you want an all-straight world, you've got one. If you want an all-lesbian world, you've pretty much got one, etc. the idea of taking options away from players instead of giving players options is dumb at best. Everybody should be able to play and enjoy the game their own personal way, and most games nowadays give you that ability. There's no reason to pre-define any NPC's sexuality, all you're doing is taking fun away from people, whether its a few people or a lot of peope, why would you want to take fun away from anybody when its literally easier to give the fun to everybody? If they had just done it like Skyrim or DA2, let the players romance any LI they want, there would be no controversy. People vocally oppose adding SGRs to SWTOR because its seen as pandering to people other than them. Nobody vocally opposed SGRs in the other games, because they were done in a way that gave everybody what they wanted, right from the get go. Everybody had what they wanted, the ability to romance whoever they wanted, and they didn't really care that others had that same option. By doing things horribly, unfathomably wrong right from the get-go, the SWTOR folks stirred up a hornet's nest and are currently getting stung. The sooner they make all the LIs available to everybody the sooner the controversy will be gone. Its easy enough to do, and now they have more incentive than ever to do it.

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Lent_San
01.14.2013 , 06:21 PM | #5258
Quote: Originally Posted by Fyuria View Post
The fox news scandal on Mass effect, only helped it, so I wonder what affect this will have.
My informed guess is, it will be just the same. Nothing new in that respect.

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Quething
01.14.2013 , 06:30 PM | #5259
Quote: Originally Posted by fabiyun View Post
I never felt that all characters in DA2 were bi. To me they were all gay and lesbian except Isabella who's pansexual. What I like about DA2 is that it allows me to fill in their orientation, except for maybe Isabella.
No, it doesn't. You can fill in the orientation of every single companion except Isabela as "straight" if you like, but the game does not permit reading any of them as gay. To wit:

Anders, in every playthrough, will reference that time he slept with Isabela.
Anders will never so much as mention that attractive men are a possibility in his universe if Hawke is female, much less ever mention Karl.
Fenris, in every playthrough, will start up a FWB situation with Isabela in act 3 if neither is romanced, including in a situation where Hawke slept with either in act II but abandoned the romance.
Fenris will never so much as mention that attractive men are a possibility in his universe if male Hawke doesn't actively flirt with him.
Merrill, in every playthrough, will refer to the Qunari as "easy on the eyes" and flirt with Carver, if Carver is alive.
Merrill will never so much as mention that attractive women are a possibility in her universe if female Hawke doesn't actively flirt with her.

If there's one saving grace of the comparatively shallow characterization of SWTOR companions, who largely come without histories or unprompted sex drives, it's that there's relatively little room for that kind of heteronormative hand-holding.

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fabiyun
01.14.2013 , 07:24 PM | #5260
Quote: Originally Posted by Quething View Post
No, it doesn't. You can fill in the orientation of every single companion except Isabela as "straight" if you like, but the game does not permit reading any of them as gay. To wit:

Anders, in every playthrough, will reference that time he slept with Isabela.
Anders will never so much as mention that attractive men are a possibility in his universe if Hawke is female, much less ever mention Karl.
Fenris, in every playthrough, will start up a FWB situation with Isabela in act 3 if neither is romanced, including in a situation where Hawke slept with either in act II but abandoned the romance.
Fenris will never so much as mention that attractive men are a possibility in his universe if male Hawke doesn't actively flirt with him.
Merrill, in every playthrough, will refer to the Qunari as "easy on the eyes" and flirt with Carver, if Carver is alive.
Merrill will never so much as mention that attractive women are a possibility in her universe if female Hawke doesn't actively flirt with her.

If there's one saving grace of the comparatively shallow characterization of SWTOR companions, who largely come without histories or unprompted sex drives, it's that there's relatively little room for that kind of heteronormative hand-holding.
You clearly had very different playthroughs. I always end up flirting with Fenris, he's just too cute. Anders always hits on my male characters. I've never heard Merrill comment on the Qunari. Not that that'd matter much lol.
Aveline needs to be helped on a date though. But every time that happens I'm like, girl, you're the butchest of butches, I'll help you give men another try, he sure does look like a kitten, but why don't you give Merrill a go, I know you'd be happier and that poor elf needs a cougar. That'll keep her from using too much blood magic, and lighten you up a bit, you sure don't want to end up like Sebastian.
I'm very sure though about Bethany and Isabela's banter. It always amuses me. I love Isabela, she's just awesome.
I think the game permits just about any to be read the way you want to read them. That they're herosexual sure helps in that regard.
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