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Same gender relationships clarifications?

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Same gender relationships clarifications?
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Kioma
01.05.2013 , 04:26 PM | #5041
Quote: Originally Posted by Sebah View Post
Nice to see a game rated T for Teens turn to this gay romance game because...hey sims 3 has it. I don't know about you but I don't want my son exposed to SGR.
Then don't let him play. Your parenting decisions are your responsibility, not EA/BW:A's.
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Lent_San
01.05.2013 , 04:45 PM | #5042
Quote: Originally Posted by TaxMilliont View Post
Tell me if I'm jumping too wildly to conclusions, or if I'm missing something.
In any case, I'm personally fine with either new companions (as in both one male and one female for all of the separate classes) or the old ones. Secretly pining for Vector. As long as they won't go with the one-size-fits-all as with HK. I'd prefer something of actual equality.
Yeah, you know, that's definitely an issue and might be the reason why we haven't gotten SGR with companions yet. Maybe this is what they meant when they said things turned out more complicated than expected. I do hope, a little further down the road, we'll be getting SGR with new companions and at least a few of the old ones. They just need to find a way how you can actually break up with someone. Or tell us, flat out, that we'd have to reroll.

Quote: Originally Posted by Nozybidaj View Post
/shrug Take what you want from it. I thought it was pretty clear. I'd bet my house that you will never see Same Gender romances with your companions. "oh this is like really hard and stuff" and "delayed" are pretty obvious Developer speak for "we don't wanna".
We'll see. Don't give up just yet.

Quote: Originally Posted by Senatsu View Post
When you play games with so many different people, from different cultures, with different things they want out of a game, with different playstyles, different personalities, there is really no point in caring about the opinion of some idiot who has gotten lost in the internet and doesn't know how MMO communities work. .
Unfortunately, out there are a lot of ignorant fools who like to pretend they're in the vast majority with everything they do and lack curiousity or downright tolerance to be able to see how many other people are inherently different to them and like different things. In the words of Monty Python "We're all individuals".

Quote: Originally Posted by Quething View Post
They don't tell us spit, but on the rare occasion that they let some meager tidbit slip they don't appear to lie.
Yep, I do agree, so far at least, that's been the case.

Quote: Originally Posted by drfumblez View Post
Long-time lurker here. Just want to say glad you guys are finally getting your turn for developments. I'm a straight, white male, and SGR is a staple in some of the other BW games. I usually don't part-take in it myself, but you guys definitely deserve some good news.
Hope you get companions soon!
Thanks!

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SirGladiator
01.05.2013 , 04:48 PM | #5043
I agree that it would be nice that he used words like 'delayed' instead of 'cancelled' except for the fact that he also said it would be way harder to implement them than they thought, when the reality is all you have to do is get rid of the gender check, clean up the occasional pronoun, add the character's voice (the LI's voice is obviously already in the game) and there it is. There isn't anything hard about it. Someone mentioned 'jealousy scenes', obviously thats something they could add if they wanted to but arent the least bit necessary to the romance itself. If you romance somebody, you romance them, it doesn't 'have' to relate to any other character, of course those scenes are always fun to see, just like its always nice to have your gender/race mentioned by somebody in the game, but its not actually necessary. If they added the romances to the game, then said 'going back and adding in jealousy scenes will be hard, we're going to delay that', then that would make sense, and better still it would actually be true, unlike what he actually did say which wasn't the slightest bit true.

The bottom line is that he put in a gender check specificly so we couldn't play these romances, and now he's pretending its 'really really hard' to get rid of it, when in reality he just doesn't want to. Why would he? He put it in for a reason, he doesn't want to get rid of it for the same reason he put it in in the first place. Because he doesn't like this sort of content, and doesn't want it in his game. The only way to overcome that is with enough pressure so that he would rather have it in his game than continue to be annoyed by people asking for it. If somehow a couple of flirt options with NPCs on a planet you have to be level 50 to reach satisifies enough people and they don't keep asking for what we rightly should have, and were promised, then he wins, and he keeps them out forever. Its as simple as that. Hopefully that isn't what happens, I know for my part I'm going to keep asking for what we were promised, and for what virtually every modern game now has, the ability to romance any LI you like, and I hope everybody else will also.

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amnie
01.05.2013 , 05:04 PM | #5044
Quote: Originally Posted by Sebah View Post
Nice to see a game rated T for Teens turn to this gay romance game because...hey sims 3 has it. I don't know about you but I don't want my son exposed to SGR.
does your son not have permission to play the sims, either? granted age restricts are just something people can 'walk around' with anyway, but I kinda have my own opinion about people being fine with shooting people, having threesomes with the widow of someone you just beheaded... but all of a sudden a little [flirt] trigger is some kind of a big deal.


I'm strangley reminded of the parents(!) making a big deal about Ballad of Gay Tony....

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fabiyun
01.05.2013 , 05:12 PM | #5045
Quote: Originally Posted by SirGladiator View Post
I agree that it would be nice that he used words like 'delayed' instead of 'cancelled' except for the fact that he also said it would be way harder to implement them than they thought, when the reality is all you have to do is get rid of the gender check, clean up the occasional pronoun, add the character's voice (the LI's voice is obviously already in the game) and there it is. There isn't anything hard about it. Someone mentioned 'jealousy scenes', obviously thats something they could add if they wanted to but arent the least bit necessary to the romance itself. If you romance somebody, you romance them, it doesn't 'have' to relate to any other character, of course those scenes are always fun to see, just like its always nice to have your gender/race mentioned by somebody in the game, but its not actually necessary. If they added the romances to the game, then said 'going back and adding in jealousy scenes will be hard, we're going to delay that', then that would make sense, and better still it would actually be true, unlike what he actually did say which wasn't the slightest bit true.

The bottom line is that he put in a gender check specificly so we couldn't play these romances, and now he's pretending its 'really really hard' to get rid of it, when in reality he just doesn't want to. Why would he? He put it in for a reason, he doesn't want to get rid of it for the same reason he put it in in the first place. Because he doesn't like this sort of content, and doesn't want it in his game. The only way to overcome that is with enough pressure so that he would rather have it in his game than continue to be annoyed by people asking for it. If somehow a couple of flirt options with NPCs on a planet you have to be level 50 to reach satisifies enough people and they don't keep asking for what we rightly should have, and were promised, then he wins, and he keeps them out forever. Its as simple as that. Hopefully that isn't what happens, I know for my part I'm going to keep asking for what we were promised, and for what virtually every modern game now has, the ability to romance any LI you like, and I hope everybody else will also.
The problem is that SWTOR is an MMOrpg. If this were a standalone game then indeed they could remove the gender checks, do some VA, and release a patch.
But. This isn't a standalone game. Nor a standalone game with multiplayer options. This is an online game. Live at that.
They can't just go back and change these options. It would likely bug everyone's progress with their companions in the process. The same goes for NPCs. They can't just change those. It'll have different effects for people who've done the quests, are in the middle of the quests and those who have completed it. And these conversations and quests can't just be reset either. And the idea of some item resetting it, is also nearly impossible. It can be coded, but the consequences and bugs as a result cannot be overseen.

The problem with SWTOR is that SGR could've easily been in at launch without much difficulty or high costs. Instead someone made the poor call to not do it. At an executive level maybe they thought like most do here that it would be easy to implement, but are now realising that it's not an easy task, but an incredibly difficult one. They'd be facing possible bugs for almost every quest and conversation. That's an impossible task.

The only thing that can reasonably be done is adding new companions the way HK51 has been added with VA for the earlier planets included. Additional quests can be added on the core planets with NPCs that are available for SGR.

Your game, your character and progress, are on the server. This isn't a standalone game. It's coded differently. It's not something that can be fixed easily.

Additionally, to implement such a patch for the millions of account toons that are the servers, they'd have to take the servers down for days, not just hours. Adding new content, some new code to add new FPs, WZs or Planets already takes 4hrs for a small patch, and 8hrs for a big patch. Now imagine them recoding it all, and making changes to save games. That's a task that'll take days, and sorry folks, just not realistic. I would love to see it. But realistically it's nearly impossible. At this point in time I'd rather see them spend time on some new SGR companions. That can be a content patch done in an 8hr server downtime. Development won't take much longer than redoing the previous companions, and it'd be something new for everyone. Yes it'd be the "SGR companion", whatever. It's something that'd get me through the 50 levels for a toon before I reach the new content that will be inclusive.
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stuffystuffs
01.05.2013 , 05:26 PM | #5046
Quote: Originally Posted by Samy_Merchi View Post
I have to decide whether to play a girl or to romance a girl, and it's really tough picking just one or the other. Maybe I'll just go play Mass Effect.
I feel the same, though I refuse to do any of the female romances I want with a male PC character out of principle. I feel it just sends a message "Hey, it's cool there are no SGRAs...I'll just roll a male toon to do the female romance options I like".

I've decided to turn all my current female toons into "players" suffering from unrequited love for now, since they can at least flirt with (assuming) multiple female NPCs in Makeb.
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Anglvamp
01.05.2013 , 05:38 PM | #5047
Quote: Originally Posted by Kioma View Post
Then don't let him play. Your parenting decisions are your responsibility, not EA/BW:A's.
This, sooooooo much this.

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NO one said SGR content should be at the top of the priority list, but eventually you have to get to the bottom of the list

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Berronaxftw
01.05.2013 , 06:07 PM | #5048
Has there been any update or ETA on when same gender romances will be implemented?

Sorry but i just don't have the will power to look through 500 pages of thread :S

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Arglaar
01.05.2013 , 06:53 PM | #5049
Quote: Originally Posted by Sebah View Post
Nice to see a game rated T for Teens turn to this gay romance game because...hey sims 3 has it. I don't know about you but I don't want my son exposed to SGR.
Believe it or not, Same Gender and Opposite Gender romance have absolutely Zero bearing on the ESRB Rating of a game. It's strictly for the Romance only. (This clarification is listed earlier in this thread; you can find it if you really look for it.)

So what are you going to do if your son is exposed to this situation in the "Real World" as school? Just hide your head in the sand and hope it goes away? Or will you talk to him about it and explain your feelings and how think he should deal with it?

As others have mentioned in this thread, It's not up to EA or Bioware to parent your children, that's entirely up to you.
Seems to me, SGR being added to game would be an excellent time for you to talk to your child about it.

On a side note, Most Teen level children are already completely aware of what Homosexuality is and most likely already know at least one person who is. Since your Son plays this game, we can safely assume that he is at least 13 right?

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Lent_San
01.05.2013 , 06:57 PM | #5050
Quote: Originally Posted by fabiyun View Post
The only thing that can reasonably be done is adding new companions the way HK51 has been added with VA for the earlier planets included. Additional quests can be added on the core planets with NPCs that are available for SGR.
Sounds reasonable, event though I'm still unwilling to give up hope yet they'll be doing something with old companions eventually. To have to level to 50 to be able to experience SGR forever sounds too half-assed to me. *crosses fingers*

Quote: Originally Posted by Berronaxftw View Post
Has there been any update or ETA on when same gender romances will be implemented? Sorry but i just don't have the will power to look through 500 pages of thread :S
The new expansion Rise of the Hutt Cartel will bring SGR romance/flirting options for the Makeb planet. ETA is said to be spring. Unfortunately no companion romances as of yet, but they may be coming at a later time.

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