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Same gender relationships clarifications?

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Same gender relationships clarifications?
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Fyuria
01.02.2013 , 10:07 PM | #4861
Hearing about SGR flirt options on Makeb is good news, though I suspected that companion SGR was delayed.
However it is an answer like we asked for, so thank you Bioware for finally giving that much.

With my subscription running out in less then a week, they give an answer to make me rethink letting it run out and moving on.

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Razmoudah
01.02.2013 , 10:11 PM | #4862
Quote: Originally Posted by Tatile View Post
British cuss words tend to be overlooked, because " oh you silly Brits and your arses and shags and fondleslabs"

Our shorthand for cigarette, though, is still banned. With good reason, those across the pond would be terribly confused.
You also forgot that a rubber to a Brit is very different than a rubber to a Yank, as one American general so humorously learned many years ago in that anecdote.


As for the main topic, I'm not satisfied with NPC SGR flirts (as the two chars I've already created that'd go bi have a personal dislike of one night stands, and although both are female one is more into females while the other is more into males) I am happy to see something happening (and I'll probably make a pair of chars that are skittish of the long term relationship, due to past traumas, and thus the NPC SGR flirts would flow perfectly for them). It does leave me hopeful that we'll eventually get companion SGR so I'll continue to support the game, barring them making an absolute statement that there won't be any companion SGR, then I'd have to re-think the issue. We did get a yes/no type answer, maybe not to the complete question, but we did get one, and a yes is a very significant milestone, it being NPC's makes it rather minor, but a minor milestone can still be extremely significant, as this minor one means that the can't completely back out later, only partially which some people will be comfortable with and some people won't.


In other thoughts, what happened to my sig? It had two lines, and one got removed, and it was there last night when I was checking the forum. I'm guessing an admin had to have done that, and I would've appreciated a message telling me why they did so, as otherwise that's just being an arsehole. Since it wasn't necessarily accurate anymore with the latest announcement I've put in a different second line to my sig, but I'd still appreciate a message asking me to change it if they don't like it and giving me a minimum of 36 hours to get it changed (so that I've got time to find out about the message and act on it) before they take action themselves.
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Bioware/EA say YES to companion SGR in SW:TOR

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chuixupu
01.02.2013 , 10:12 PM | #4863
Quote: Originally Posted by natashina View Post

I can't help but wonder what some of the...very strong opponents think of all of this. I'm just glad it's finally out in the open after all these months.
I think one could guess....or could take a look at some of the responses that have popped up in the blog's thread. But I'd rather just not go there.

And bacon is good in a lot of things, but not nearly as many things as some would have me think. There was a bacon flavored milkshake at Jack in the Box for a while.
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Dire-Wolf
01.02.2013 , 10:14 PM | #4864
Good news, but this

Quote:
that many of you believed that this would be with a companion character.
has me a bit worried that they won't be implementing SGRA with companions. Also a bit concerned that any same gender flirts are only going to take play with new content, which would mean 50 levels of nothing.

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Razmoudah
01.02.2013 , 10:15 PM | #4865
Quote: Originally Posted by VelvetSanity View Post
Bacon...flavored...popcorn...

Eww. I like bacon, but only as bacon and eggs, or in a bacon cheeseburger, or as an additional meat topping on my pizza...what is it with this "baconize everything" meme?
Since this was posted while I was typing mine I'll double post, but I don't get it either, as I only enjoy bacon in a BLT or other sandwich (like a bacon cheeseburger) or as pieces on a salad. I've been known to nibble on it at times, such as when cooking some up to have BLTs, but I really don't like that much of it at once and I find this "baconize everything" meme borderline disgusting myself.
Choosing to limit one's vision is not the path to enlightenment. I prefer a world where there are limitless possibilities.
Bioware/EA say YES to companion SGR in SW:TOR

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Syvach
01.02.2013 , 10:30 PM | #4866
Quote: Originally Posted by Dire-Wolf View Post
Good news, but this

Quote:
many of you believed that this would be with a companion character
has me a bit worried that they won't be implementing SGRA with companions. Also a bit concerned that any same gender flirts are only going to take play with new content, which would mean 50 levels of nothing.
I think that's overreacting based on only a part of the quote. Everyone really needs to read the full thing:

"I realize that we promised SGR to you guys and that many of you believed that this would be with a companion character." - This part is simply a statement of our expectation. That's all.

"Unfortunately, this [companion SGR] will take a lot more work than we realized at the time and it [companion SGR] has been DELAYED as we focused on the changes required to take the game Free-to-Play." - This part simply says that companion SGR is delayed due to FTP and taking more work than expected. They did not say canceled, just delayed.

I think fears that companion SGR is totally off the table based on this quote are unfounded. Actually, they are more likely today than at any point in SWTORs history! (Ok, except maybe really early production.) This is the first, and only, official statement posted to the official website saying that "yes, SGR will be in the game." That is a HUGE step forward and opens a door that was previously, locked, barred and sealed. No, this announcement is NOT everything I would have wanted, but it is still a hugely favorable development and one we should be glad to see.

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Syvach
01.02.2013 , 10:46 PM | #4867
It's important to note that the idea that "all it will take for SGR companions" is to "throw the gender switch" is ridiculous. Yes, each character does have a flag on them that says if they are male or female, but it's likely far more complicated than whether companions will offer you romance conversations or not. That switch likely governs everything related to gender choice.

For example, on my BH I just had a cutscene where I walked into a room and a soldier said "there sir, that's her." If Bioware "just flips the switch" that scene would likely say "there sir, that's him." That one flag governs all cutscenes you get. The companion romances are flagged as "male" or "female" and so are many other cutscenes. If you flip the switch so a female character gets the male companion conversations, then that character will probably also get ALL male conversations and cutscenes!

It could easily go more in-depth than that. Character appearance may be based on that same flag. While your character is flagged to have body type 1, face 7, hair style 6, skin color 13 and so on, the game translates those numbers based on your gender flag. If Bioware "flips that switch" then all of a sudden your character could completely flip gender. They'll still have body 1, but it'll be male now and not female.

I don't know if that's how the game works, but it's entirely possible. Every single element in the game that is determined by gender may be based on a single flag on your character. If so, flipping that flag will completely change your character in every respect. Just because you WANT it to be easy to change the game doesn't mean it IS. It could take quite a lot of programming, from the ground up, to make the game capable of SGR companion relationships. That's no simple task. It's totally worth asking for and I'm on board with that, but it's silly to assume that it's an easy thing.

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MoobooMagoo
01.02.2013 , 10:57 PM | #4868
Yay, actual information!

So here is my interpretation of what was said.

He mentioned that many of us believed that SGR content was going to include companions, and that this content is taking longer than they anticipated. To me this means that originally it was planned to have some npc relationships that were available, but the devs quickly realized that wasn't going to completely cut it and the players really wanted more than what was planned (specifically we wanted companion romance).

If that is the case it is entirely understandable that it is taking so long. They probably had to suspend the whole thing because someone realized that the way it was being made was completely insufficient until they figured out exactly what to do. Basically, if events unfolded as I suspect, at some point during SGRA development they had to completely start over and the long silence is probably a direct result of that (not knowing how it was going to work or what they could do).

Given that we have some confirmed SGR conversations with NPCs in Makeb, I think that all future conversations are being written with both OG and SG in mind in terms of conversations. In the future we will probably get this done for the entire original campaign. It sounds like the delay in the content is caused by a change of scope and an increase of the depth of the conversations, so the entire original campaign is probably a much bigger project than we realize (or they originally realized, from the sounds of it).

Overall I think this information is really great news and is exactly what I wanted. I wanted to know how the development of the content was coming along which is what we got. Sorry if this sounds like I'm rambling, I'm just excited to finally get some news.
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MoobooMagoo
01.02.2013 , 11:01 PM | #4869
Quote: Originally Posted by Razmoudah View Post
Since this was posted while I was typing mine I'll double post, but I don't get it either, as I only enjoy bacon in a BLT or other sandwich (like a bacon cheeseburger) or as pieces on a salad. I've been known to nibble on it at times, such as when cooking some up to have BLTs, but I really don't like that much of it at once and I find this "baconize everything" meme borderline disgusting myself.
Sometimes something that sounds really gross actually turns out to be great. I had a bacon sundae once and I fully expected it to be awful (I was trying it just for novelty value). It turned out to be awesome because the saltiness of the bacon tasted great with the sweet of the ice cream.

Basically I'm saying don't knock it till you've tried it.
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Anglvamp
01.02.2013 , 11:38 PM | #4870
Ohhh, must have bacon flavored popcorn. We had candied bacon for Christmas dinner, was soooooooo delicious.

On topic, I personally am very happy for the announcement, any information is better than nothing, as people can now make informed decisions on whether they will stick around or leave for other places. Though from reading the thread about State of the Game I can see why BW would be a little hesitant about saying anything. Too many people forgetting its just a game.

Also, didn't know there was an issue with the APAC servers, but I hope they get some info soon.

^.^
NO one said SGR content should be at the top of the priority list, but eventually you have to get to the bottom of the list