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Same gender relationships clarifications?
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Slaign
12.16.2012 , 05:14 PM | #4091
Quote: Originally Posted by Tatile View Post
So, just saw this:

Hall Hood, @hallhood
@Natashina Much appreciated. Please understand, I have done everything within my power to address your concerns.
~05:47 15/12/12

He's speaking about SGRA's there and I feel this explains a fair amount about his lackluster Developer Blog. The much maligned "mug question" is something that usually comes up in developer interviews - they like to answer cute questions after having done a lot of talking about more heady issues (kind of like having pictures of kittens at the end of the news after you've been told that the world is a terrible place), which makes me wonder that perhaps Mr. Hood did originally address our concerns about SGRA's in his Developer Blog response, but that they were cut from the finished product.

I do find it somewhat disgusting, then, that talks with the community are being censored in this manner.
I think that's reading a bit much into his words. A bit ago, I tweeted him about SGRAs and encouraged others to do so as well, and on that day he got quite a few tweets about it. All he was really able to say was that the forums were the best avenue for feedback and he also made a reference like the one you quoted where he indicates he's done everything in his power to help.

It's entirely possible what he's referring to, having "done everything within [his] power to address [our] concerns," merely means that the only answer he can give us is to direct our feedback to "proper channels." Reading anything into it beyond that is pure speculation.

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Tatile
12.16.2012 , 05:25 PM | #4092
Quote: Originally Posted by Slaign View Post
I think that's reading a bit much into his words. A bit ago, I tweeted him about SGRAs and encouraged others to do so as well, and on that day he got quite a few tweets about it. All he was really able to say was that the forums were the best avenue for feedback and he also made a reference like the one you quoted where he indicates he's done everything in his power to help.

It's entirely possible what he's referring to, having "done everything within [his] power to address [our] concerns," merely means that the only answer he can give us is to direct our feedback to "proper channels." Reading anything into it beyond that is pure speculation.
It is speculation, but unfortunately speculation is our only avenue at the moment. I've mentioned the stain on the floor a few times, but the room happens to be devoid of other furniture. I've read into this particular tweet because of what Mr. Hood has said previously - which I now can't *********** find - wherein he stated that he sympathized with our situation (he was speaking to SamyMerchi, one of the posters here).

While Mr. Hood might only be able to direct us to the so-called proper channels, but I do not think that means that he has not attempted to communicate with us (the deleted tweet, for example), but rather that he might have been censored for having done so.

But then I am a terrible optimist sometimes.

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angrydurf
12.16.2012 , 05:56 PM | #4093
With the @hallhood 's tweet as well as some of the responses we've gotten elsewhere (GLAAD etc) it really sounds to me like this mos more of the kinda standard EA/Bioware blackout on features that are not fixed in timeline or system.

I know during Beta and prior they were very very closed mouth about anything they were doing until it was basically ready for release or at least test/demo. So with SGR I would guess they are either uncertain where in the timeline it'll fall or uncertain of how it will be implemented.

The fact that no one has popped in to say "Oh yea it's still on our scheduled but we don't have a firm release window" is a little odd though. Dependent how EA the office has gone at this point they ma just be muzzled form admitting such a 'minor' feature has dropped from the schedule. gotta have more time to make ugly holiday junk to sell on the cartel market after all.
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Tatile
12.16.2012 , 06:08 PM | #4094
Quote: Originally Posted by angrydurf View Post
The fact that no one has popped in to say "Oh yea it's still on our scheduled but we don't have a firm release window" is a little odd though. Dependent how EA the office has gone at this point they ma just be muzzled form admitting such a 'minor' feature has dropped from the schedule. gotta have more time to make ugly holiday junk to sell on the cartel market after all.
Well that and if they admit that they didn't think that same-sex content was important enough to be developed for this game, then their standing with the LGBT community could be damaged and we wouldn't want that

You're either inclusive or you're not.

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Lent_San
12.16.2012 , 07:00 PM | #4095
Quote: Originally Posted by Tatile View Post
While Mr. Hood might only be able to direct us to the so-called proper channels, but I do not think that means that he has not attempted to communicate with us (the deleted tweet, for example), but rather that he might have been censored for having done so..
I can't believe how complicated such a little thing has become. They simply should have put SGR in at launch, period. Now everything they do, including gag orders and no-info policy seems so awkward, silly and really untrustworthy. And I do consider myself a diehard fan.

But this seriously puts me off. Not the fact SGRs are not in (yet), but how crappy they handle all of this.

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Nozybidaj
12.16.2012 , 07:00 PM | #4096
Quote: Originally Posted by Tatile View Post
You're either inclusive or you're not.
The only thing we can judge them on is actions at this point (do to there silence that is all there is). From that perspective it is pretty clear which side of the fence BW-Austin and SW:TOR fall on.

They can't just come right out and say "no we aren't doing this" even if this is what they decided internally. It would just add too much fuel to the fire and really get the interest of groups like GLAAD and likely even the major gaming media.

While I don't think they mind misleading folks I don't think they want to come right out and lie about it either. So they won't come here and say "yep still on the schedule" or "its on the list more on it later". This is EA however, they might "leak" comments to keep people interested and paying in ways that they can later claim as 'unofficial' and there by keep their hands clean, but I don't think they will make an "official" statement on it even confirming it as on a future feature list. It simply isn't.

So their only real option is silence. To say and do nothing and hope we all just go away. Which is exactly what they have done so far.

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HellbirdIV
12.16.2012 , 07:46 PM | #4097
Quote: Originally Posted by Lent_San View Post
They simply should have put SGR in at launch, period.
TOR needed another year in development, in retrospect. It's a shame they pushed it out to avoid having to compete with a WoW expansion's release year, eh? >_>

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SirGladiator
12.16.2012 , 08:02 PM | #4098
Whats amazing is how simple this is. Yes, it should've been in at launch. Its also something that doesn't require much to put in anytime they feel like it. Its not like they have to do any new writing at all, the romances are already in the game, its a simple case of the romance options having been disabled for certain players, so un-disabling them would solve everything, with the possible exception of any need to change pronouns (and having not had the opportunity to play the romances, the wording may already be gender-neutral so even that might not be necessary). Its one of the simplest improvements to the game they could possibly make, thats why you have to assume they arent doing it because they simply dont want to, certainly they've had over a year to do something that should take more like hours, maybe a couple days if there's a fair number of pronoun-changes necessary in a given romance storyline. Thats why this pressure is key, to get them to change their minds. Without any of us speaking out, they'll never ever do it, they've made that perfectly clear. And that doesn't mean that most of the folks that work on the game don't want it in.

We know the team that made ME2, for example, wanted SGR, and they put it in the game, but the head of the team overruled them all and made them remove it (they left parts of certain romances in, either by accident or, more likely, on purpose to show they wanted to and tried to put them in). Thats the general attitude of the VAST majority of the folks at Bioware, inclusion and freedom for the players, Its most likely the same deal here, just one or two people at the top keeping the good folks who want to put it in, from simply adding it in. Its really just extreme unluckiness on our part, that the few folks at Bioware who are against us happen to be the ones at the very top of certain games, specificly ME and SWTOR, I don't know enough about SWTOR's higher ups to even know their names, but if you know who the head guy is, he's almost certainly the one who doesn't want it, and won't let anybody put it in. Anybody else you talk to is probably on our side and just can't say so publicly, because they like having a job, and being able to pay their bills and such. So let's be sure to be nice to whoever we might speak to, that person probably would add it in tomorrow if they were allowed to, and everybody here would be happy, and they would be as well. I do believe that the pressure we're applying is going to cause the head guy to relent and at least give us something, whether its the full treatment that we want and deserve, or just a small token something that he hopes will be enough to get the pressure off, remains to be seen (though the logical guess is it'll be the latter, of course I'm hoping for the former), but clearly the more pressure we apply the more we'll end up getting, so let's keep up the great work, and kudos on all the awesome stuff that everybody has already done.

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Joushigun
12.16.2012 , 09:01 PM | #4099
Quote: Originally Posted by HellbirdIV View Post
TOR needed another year in development, in retrospect. It's a shame they pushed it out to avoid having to compete with a WoW expansion's release year, eh? >_>
What is unfortunate is the number of times I've seen this, and the number of times it has resulted in horrible games is unfortunate. Honestly, Mists of Pandaria is not that great an expansion despite what the reviewers say. I beta tested it and have now let my subscription lapse there. I just could not get into the game at that point. I mean, it's not bad, but it's not spectacular.

TOR like STO needed a lot more polish before release.
"I am a lizard woman from the dawn of time, and this is my wife."- Lady Vastra, Doctor Who and the Snowmen

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natashina
12.16.2012 , 09:03 PM | #4100
Wow..um...yeah....

Sorry I haven't posted much. Hi to Evan!

What else...oh, thanks for the PMs guys!


Um

MERRY LIFE DAY!!!

Quote:
Hi Natashina!

We just got done recording this week's podcast, and your email features prominently. It was excellently worded, extremely well communicated, and otherwise extremely thoughtful. I'm sure we didn't do it service (clods that we are), but we gave it a good shot. I hope you like it.

Jeff
TORWars.com
This was not one of the sites that had directly replied to me before.

It may not be an answer.

But we did it. We showed a lot of people that enough of us care to know.

Look for the podcast next week.

LINK IT ANYWHERE YOU CAN! I'll talk more later.

Meanwhile, I'm going to go faint with shock.