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Same gender relationships clarifications?
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fabiyun
12.09.2012 , 01:01 PM | #3951
Quote: Originally Posted by natashina View Post
Not awake. Getting coffee, but I wanted to point this out:

Okay, my questions, Why is it such a double minded thing to even talk about SGRs.? Why did that bad communication breakdown happen? This is direct and undeniable proof that BW-Austin is more than willing to talk about things months in advance. Which contradicts a lot of what some of the more angry trolls like to claim. "They don't talk about things too far out in advance." I really feel like someone is acting like some of the teachers I had in high school where they chuckle nervously and change the subject the second they aren't comfortable.

It's not against the OP of that thread at all. They seem like passionate players and decent people. Shoot, I'm curious too, but my gods....So many people give us such a hard time for pursuing answers.

They tell us to shut up when we say that it's been over 9 months since any official word and they are still giving the press the runaround. Yet after 7 months, people get nervous if they don't hear about the new race. And they didn't get ignored at the Livestream.

We all know that if they had had the courage to speak up about this on the Livestream, we would have all jumped over that by now.

I'm enjoying the fact there is a new race and Cathars to boot. However, playing a Cathar or not doesn't really change my play style any. As was pointed out, you get a few nasty comments from Pub side and about once a planet my Chiss sniper was called alien scum. It really doesn't change how I playing the game.

SGRs, for myself and others, significantly changes the way we play. After 9 months since any official word at all, I'm pretty mad that this is still being treated so different. When it shouldn't.

Being more watched in the forums (and then some ), but treated exactly as we were 8 months ago by BW-Austin. GLAAD and the emails we sent off really are making a difference, that much is true. We've gotten the word out.

I had some stuff about possible companion sexuality (a topic I genuinely enjoy,) but that'll have to wait until after coffee.

Oh, my word for the day: DOOOOOOOOM! DOOMIE DOOMIE DOOM!

Yeah, I spotted one of the Chicken Littles in the forums recently. I hope a piece of sky didn't land on someone's head, since it's falling and all.

*stumbles into her kitchen, squinting at the glare*
I've been saying that all along. They talk about pretty much anything but SGR.
(As for the Cathar, my hunch is that it's coming sooner than you might think. But that's a hunch. It'd do miracles for their pockets, seeing as it will be a Cartel purchase for all.)
It comes back to; talking about SGR gets them the gay. It's really astonishing with how much effort the topic is ignored. And also how badly we're further marginalised on this forum.
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MoobooMagoo
12.09.2012 , 01:15 PM | #3952
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Oh, my word for the day: DOOOOOOOOM! DOOMIE DOOMIE DOOM!
I know a kobold who could write that into a song for you
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stuffystuffs
12.09.2012 , 01:20 PM | #3953
I was thinking...if they do add new companions, will they be the "gay companion" in the sense that they'll be exclusive to SGRA? I'm thinking they won't do that and any new romanceable companion will be available to both genders.

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I know a kobold who could write that into a song for you

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natashina
12.09.2012 , 01:21 PM | #3954
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I know a kobold who could write that into a song for you
So do I. I think he would give a better spin on it though.

Blizz reminds me of Deekin for sure. He's at least make a jig out of it or something.

Meh, to Hades with the Chicken Littles. I enjoy this game immensely, and as long as there is a decent pop server, I'm going to say that the game is alive and well. I'm going to stay out of those kinds of threads though. I really do respect them too much to go tell them how wrong I think they are. It's because I feel the game is doing well that I see no good reason for this bizarre hesitation by BW on SGRs.

All I can do at this point is to continue to push for players to write to GLAAD. I strongly feel they won't say anything here, but putting further pressure on BW-Austin will get us an answer. The thread does a have a purpose; at this point, it's a pretty safe place for the pro-SGR crowd to gather. It's also a great place to spread the word as well as answer any questions we can to the players about this.

Edit: /shudder There are threads bouncing around that wants to put F2P'ers on another server. That would not be good, since Doup is putting a stop on his account for now and going F2P. My scary thought is how many, "SGRs should be on their own server" threads that will start. They will go on for 40 pages at least.

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angrydurf
12.09.2012 , 01:26 PM | #3955
More information would be nice but frankly with all the restructuring going on I can kinda understand why it hasn't been brought up. Doing SGR right is time intensive. I think most of the writing was probably don but it all has to be polished then approved then sent to Lucas arts for VO then cut-scenes need to be made and tested. Considering that at the very least they need to do this for two companions for each class (and really would be nice if it was 2-3 for parity with OGR) that's at least 16 romance arcs that need to be constructed, implemented and tested. It's time consuming particularly the VO portion which requires Lucas Arts to scheduled the actors and if it is using preexisting companions get the same actors back for more VO. New SGR companions need not only romance arcs but full companions stories and insertion into the main storyline (or to be made available via cartel?) regardless they then need to also have dialog for the class story some world story scenes and affection gain/loss for all conversations established.

all in all it's a huge amount of time needed and not alot of it can be paralleled. Writing comes first then editing and approval, then cutscenes are animated then they have to bring in VO actors to do the lines then they all have to be tested and put together. It is entirely possible that they are working on it but have no dates because so many things could slow it down still and with the move to free to play who knows if they had to rework this to cartel content or what.
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stormdrakelord
12.09.2012 , 01:35 PM | #3956
Quote: Originally Posted by stuffystuffs View Post
I was thinking...if they do add new companions, will they be the "gay companion" in the sense that they'll be exclusive to SGRA? I'm thinking they won't do that and any new romanceable companion will be available to both genders.
Perhaps, perhaps not, but I would rather have a new bi romance then have them risk screwing a current companion's character just to make them bi.
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natashina
12.09.2012 , 01:41 PM | #3957
Quote: Originally Posted by angrydurf View Post
More information would be nice but frankly with all the restructuring going on I can kinda understand why it hasn't been brought up. Doing SGR right is time intensive. I think most of the writing was probably don but it all has to be polished then approved then sent to Lucas arts for VO then cut-scenes need to be made and tested. Considering that at the very least they need to do this for two companions for each class (and really would be nice if it was 2-3 for parity with OGR) that's at least 16 romance arcs that need to be constructed, implemented and tested. It's time consuming particularly the VO portion which requires Lucas Arts to scheduled the actors and if it is using preexisting companions get the same actors back for more VO. New SGR companions need not only romance arcs but full companions stories and insertion into the main storyline (or to be made available via cartel?) regardless they then need to also have dialog for the class story some world story scenes and affection gain/loss for all conversations established.

all in all it's a huge amount of time needed and not alot of it can be paralleled. Writing comes first then editing and approval, then cutscenes are animated then they have to bring in VO actors to do the lines then they all have to be tested and put together. It is entirely possible that they are working on it but have no dates because so many things could slow it down still and with the move to free to play who knows if they had to rework this to cartel content or what.

That's fine. I would understand that and I'm sure a lot of other posters here would as well. After all, it's been a chaotic year.

If it's money/time/ ect. They need to come out and tell us such, not give these continuous weird double answers.

I'm sure you saw how "clear" their stance was on new vs old companions for SGRs. I was reading the thread and the reactions last night.

The statement they sent to games industry International was even less clear.


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Hey Real Name, here's what they told us:

"We too have gotten a lot of questions about this and should be able to issue an answer soon. We had to be able to confirm things and we’re getting closer to that point. As soon as we have final confirmation that is happening, we’ll let you know to give you a heads up."

Not sure if that helps you any, but it's the latest we've got. Thanks,
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Brendan Sinclair
Staff Writer, GamesIndustry International



They need to just come out and say,

  • "Yes, with an ETA."
  • "Yes, without an ETA."
  • "Delayed due to money/F2P."
  • "No, on hold indefinitely."
  • "No, had to be scrapped."

If they were willing to give a sort of straight answer, I'd have a lot more empathy. However, they won't and I don't see why this is constantly being treated differently from other content. Illum, for example, they admitted after they abandoned it that it was put on hold indefinitely until they could get it fixed. Or that Cathars were months down the road. I heard about Cathars when I first came back to the game in September.

I'm not putting up with vague double answers that make the players dissect the every little part of just to figure out the meaning. I shouldn't have to and I'm tired of seeing so many players feeling like they are being used.

Yep, I feel used. EA/BW has put out several articles claiming time and time again that they are proud of the LGBT content they serve in "all of their games." Yes, it's still in an article, they just took the captioned picture of ToR out and replaced it with one from ME3. That's why this thread exists and why I've been encouraging everyone to write.

No more double talk, no more silence that can be taken as either answer. As I said about 2 weeks ago or so when I kicked this up to the next level....

Enough is Enough.

Also, not sure how SGRs would ruin any current characters at all. I know for a fact one of the companions is not straight and hits on you right away. I also agree with some of the other posters; we should not assume sexuality at this point. My Kira might end up a lesbian. Yours is obviously hetero. Hopefully a flirt you can ignore doesn't bother you. I ignored Quinn from about lvl 32 onwards, so I think anyone could with SGR flirts too.

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Nozybidaj
12.09.2012 , 01:47 PM | #3958
Quote: Originally Posted by natashina View Post

No more double talk, no more silence that can be taken as either answer. As I said about 2 weeks ago or so when I kicked this up to the next level....

Enough is Enough.
Sadly they just simply don't care. That quote they gave the GamesIndustry guy is likely the last word we will ever hear about it.

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natashina
12.09.2012 , 01:51 PM | #3959
Quote: Originally Posted by Nozybidaj View Post
Sadly they just simply don't care. That quote they gave the GamesIndustry guy is likely the last word we will ever hear about it.
Don't know til you try. I refuse to give up. That's exactly what the trolls and people full of hate want. Besides, it's only been a week. I don't think the game is doomed because it's free to play; I don't think the press will allow BW to leave it at that. Giving up and giving in to resignation is not to the way to go.

And if they try to leave the statement at that, I write them again. And again.

Until they tell me to go away or get a better answer from BW-Austin. Whichever comes first.

Plus, I know GLAAD is still looking into this. BW has not released any sort of statement to them and I know they won't just back down.

Trust me, this is far from over. Don't give up.

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amnie
12.09.2012 , 01:56 PM | #3960
well, I'm at the point where I think they better hurry or I'll be gone...

with the reboot of FFXIV coming along and me knowing there will be plentyful 'rp-possibility' I may be at the point of just not caring about TOR enough anymore when SGRA are finally in...

if they really think that is just a minor issue that they don't need to work on this, then good riddance.

I love this game, I really do. I'm having immense fun. but my concience tells me I can't support this forever.

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edit: and since I don't play on an RP server (and even there I wouldn't know who'd be up for it) I really don't see myself ever enjoying at least 2 of my chars as much as they deserve. my characters really .do. grow on me, and they grow indeed. I have a certain picture of them in my head, but damn they have their own head too. I don't see them as 'asexual', especially not my gunslinger. if he COULD he'd be flirting left and right (same as the heterosexual version already does story-wise)

sigh.