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Same gender relationships clarifications?
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Uluain's Avatar

12.06.2012 , 12:49 AM | #3741
People who come into a thread about content of no interest to them to harrass those sincerely concerned for it to tell them their opinions are invalid are at best inconsiderate.

And I don't see how I can be expected to accept statements opposing this content on the basis of someone else's opinion on sexual orientation any more than I would have to accept another player's stated objection to the Sith Warrior story because he doesn't believe he should be asked to take orders from Overseer Tremel, a black man, or objecting to Sith Inquisitor because it is not proper for a woman (Lord Zash) to instruct men.

Have you voiced any objection when BioWare has specifically promoted existing romantic content as a feature of the game? Have you posted in threads regarding existing, opposite gender romance options? No? Then is your opposition to the inclusion of this content based on anything other than conceptions of sexual orientation as such? If so, how is voicing that in a venue where support of that content is to be expected not an act of aggression? And if it is that, how is that not meant to be intimidating or, in another word, bullying?

LordTynell's Avatar

12.06.2012 , 12:53 AM | #3742
Blah; not worth my time.
Who's the more foolish? the fool, or the fool who follows him?

QwibQwib's Avatar

12.06.2012 , 01:24 AM | #3743
I'm starting to think Natashina had the right idea...
"Amor omnibus idem" - "Love is the same for all"

natashina's Avatar

12.06.2012 , 01:57 AM | #3744
**pops back in for a sec**

I just saw the good night post from one of the players that have been around tonight. I had a few things left to say and I really didn't want to deal with some of that right now.

Please don't feed the trolls. Yes, it's hard, which is why I'm backing off for a bit. Remember that it's becoming public knowledge we've gone to GLAAD, so the trolls are going to increase in number. Expect the new SGR thread in the General forums to be locked and redirected to Uluain's thread.

Secondly, I wanted to offer an expanded version of my definitions of a troll and a detractor.

Detractor =Someone opposed to the content, but with a level headed approach and at least a little respectful in their responses.

For one reason or another, this kind of poster disagrees with us, but isn't belligerent. A decent example is some of the parents/caretakers that come into the thread concerned about SGRs content with their younger children. We usually are respectful and even try to give careful advice where we can.

Troll=Someone opposed to the content that is disrespectful and destructive with their posts, usually with the intent to derail or demean the discussion.

I don't think I need to say anything more about this. It's been one of those nights.

Third, if you get too heated up over this, just take a break from the forums all together. When I got way too mad a couple of weeks ago, I decided to level my sniper. The Vector romance was surprisingly tender, so it worked for me. If playing the game doesn't help, try firing up an old game to remind you why you fell in love with gaming in the first place.

Finally, don't give up. Make sure you continue to spread the word not only to email or message GLAAD, but to remind them that GLAAD does care about this sort of thing and has stepped up for us before.

I'll probably post some in here off and on, but I won't be posting much for the next few days. I will make sure to keep you guys updated on any responses from GLAAD. I also sent an email to the website that we had to correct the article from, so I'll let you know if those guys say anything either.

Hang tight guys. It's gonna be a bumpy ride until this has gotten some answer confirmed. I'll be around, reading and reporting the posts that go too far. Remember, flag don't feed!


NatashaTerenzio's Avatar

12.06.2012 , 03:25 AM | #3745
Quote: Originally Posted by LordTynell View Post
People that disagree with you are not "bullies." And if you think I am a coward, just PM me.
But they can be. However, that can be a conversation for another time. You have made it clear that based off of your religion you don't agree with Homosexuality. Which is fine. However, you do realize you are playing a game written by a company that has publicly stated if they want to put SGR content into a game, they will right? So right there, Bioware as a company goes against your religious beliefs.

Moving on. You do realize this whole thing has gotten to this point simply because Bioware has gone silent on content they promised right? Whether or not you agree with this content is irrelevant. Whether or not you belivever there should be other priorities is irrelevant. Bioware has stated they were going to do it, and now the community looking forward to it is waiting for an answer. It's that simple.

So please explain again, why you feel the need to bring your intolerance to this thread? Nobody is trying to make you participate in SGR's, or even agree with the lifestyle, so what then is your beef with getting a question answered about content promised?
"A king has his reign, and then he dies." -Meredith Vickers
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natashina's Avatar

12.06.2012 , 04:29 AM | #3746
Since I promised I'd tell you guys if I got anything new, I came back in for a minute. I just checked my email.

I'm going to start posting this on the other (for now) two threads.

Earlier, I had sent a news tip to about this matter. For those of you that don't know, this is the same site were the posters had to correct the article about EA's stance on LGBT content. EA allowed an assumption to be published that was clearly trying to state SGRs were in the game. Since they helped write the article, I figured they could be another brief stopover.

Glad I listened to my instincts.

I got the following reply:

Hi Real Name.

I'm looking into this. I have contacted Bioware, and while I can't
promise anything, they swill probably be willing to talk about the issue.

Thanks for getting in touch.

Matthew Handrahan
So that's two groups for certain that are looking into this matter. There is another avenue to take our messages and emails to. I'll come back by later if I get anything more updates.

Edit: For the record, I did not let them know I contacted GLAAD. They got the same letter as GLAAD and other websites have received.

PrudiiJalor's Avatar

12.06.2012 , 07:32 AM | #3747

I'm curious about some of the statements in this thread, and figured I'd ask them openly instead of just hoping someone else would.

First, a few things about me. This could possibly be my first post ever on these forums. If it's not, it's my second. I honestly can't remember. I tend to lurk and get annoyed by the vast majority of people as it seems common courtesy is a dying art. Also, I'm a straight male that has yet to roll a male character. I have a strict policy of enjoying the backside I'm watching run around for the next 50+ levels. Started in KOTOR and continued through every BW game I've played. I got the game for Christmas last year and played until March, unsubed and then resubed in August. The first thing I checked while the game was installing (and massively patching in August) was about SGR's. I've always admired BW for having them in their games.

So here's the questions:

1) According to the Timeline, there is a 6 month gap between when BW said this would be post-launch (fair enough, things have to be cut or a game never ships) and the next statement in March about them being a story update. Question: It's been 3 months since the last statement about this topic. Why is this escalating to media outlets and rights groups so quickly and so suddenly?

2) SGR's have been tied to a story update. BW has a vast history of great stories. These take time to write, edit, re-write and then finally voice act. Then the game programming comes in. As someone that's been managing large projects for years I can tell you that timelines slip sometimes and it's not something you're proud to say out loud. Question: Knowing the above, right or wrong, could BW's silence on this be based more on embarrassment for missing the 'this year' mark? Would that make the silence better or worse?

3) There's mention throughout this thread that all the employees that have made statements about SGR's are no longer with the company. Question: Why is this important? If the company as a whole has said SGR's are coming, and layoffs are a part of any business, then why does it seem that these employees being let go or moving on is viewed in this thread as an attempt to put an end to the SGR additions? (Note: This is my perception based on reading this thread. If I'm wrong, please forgive me.)

4) Someone a few pages back (my apologies, I can't remember who and don't know how to quote it) made note of the timeline for how BW/EA would respond to this, saying that it could take upwards of a week to get a response based on the speed with which a large company can react to things. Question: Keeping that in mind, and knowing what has been said about the lead time needed for story writers, is it easy to assume that the process is just taking longer than initially anticipated? If an answer comes next week that this will be part of (example) patch 1.8 based on more time being needed to do this right with no mention of when 1.8 is coming, does that fix this issue?

I understand from reading about 100 pages of this thread (I just don't have time to read them all sadly) that what is really wanted is an update, and that most of the feelings in here could be patched up with something more than a canned response from a company representative. I simply ask my questions to see if I can understand things better.

Thanks for your time.

Palar's Avatar

12.06.2012 , 07:51 AM | #3748
Well, as I see things.

1: The comment from this September said "the comment from March is still correct." That comment said, "coming with the story update/Makeb, which will be this year." (slight paraphrasing). End of the year is rounding on us fast, and there's been nothing to yay/nay if that deadline still stands. Does "this year" apply to 2012, or a year from when they said that in March? We don't know, it remains unclarified.

2: Things happen - we could handle that, if they'd just tell us. Hoping we get distracted by Christmas and don't notice is a pretty shoddy approach to Community Management. That's when people get ticked off and start believing it was one long scam to milk subscriptions.

3: Things can change very easily when new people take over, and bring new ideas to the table. Has anything changed? We don't know, it remains unclarified.

4: It would be a start, and fix some of it - there's still plenty of people in the thread who have characters they'd like to play, but are waiting for any word on if they'll have to keep stalling on levelling and companion conversations or not. "Refrain, reset, or reroll", being the basic quandry. Again, it remains unclarified.

It all boils down to the lack of communication, and the growing frustation at such. If there's a problem, just be honest about it. If not, tell us that. Tell us something - the whole thing has just become ridiculous.

rahadnak's Avatar

12.06.2012 , 09:40 AM | #3749
The last thread opened about SGR in general discussion has been closed:

Hi everyone!

We appreciate your interest in more information on this subject, but ask that you please use the existing active threads for requests regarding more information. One exists in the Story and Lore forum here: and the other is in General Discussion: If you have suggestions about the implementation of this feature, please visit our Suggestion Box!

We'd like to take this time to remind everyone that it is fine to discuss this feature and its implementation or to make suggestions about it, but it is not acceptable to discuss real world ethics, politics, social issues, or morality on the forums. Thank you!

MoogleNut's Avatar

12.06.2012 , 10:37 AM | #3750
Aaand 'Did I Hear This Right' has been 'temporarily' closed for cleaning.

/sigh, my head hurts now (too many brick wall meet head moments), all my characters are at the point where romances would start coming into play, time to take a break and revisit The Secret World for a while