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Same gender relationships clarifications?

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Same gender relationships clarifications?
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natashina
12.03.2012 , 12:22 PM | #3551
Quote: Originally Posted by MagusGothica View Post
Massively's actually probably a pretty good call. Specifically, I'd email Larry Everett. Or Tweet him @Shaddoe. He writes a SWTOR dedicated column every week, and cohosts an Old Republic show on Gamebreaker. I think that coverage would be a really good thing for us, and from what I know about Mr. Everett, I think he'd be sympathetic to our cause. He's a heavy RP'er, so just toss something in there about how the persistent lack of SGR's is preventing the LGBT community from RP'ing the way they want to.

I think Larry and the folks at Gamebreaker, like Gary Gannon, would definitely cover this. And having them discussing the treatment of this content live on The Old Republic show would be good. They're known for asking... uncomfortable questions, to say the least.

I may already be happily married, but I could just kiss you right now!

Getting those mails off now.

Edit: Btw Magus, I've seen Black Label Society every time they've come to Denver with two exceptions. I also got to meet the members of Pantera (except for Phil) when I was 14. I love all kinds of music, but I'll admit I'm a pretty big metalhead. \m/

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natashina
12.03.2012 , 12:33 PM | #3552
I got an email sent off to Gary and a tweet sent off to Larry.

I'm still recooping from my tooth extraction, so I have some free time.

One other thing I wanted to mention.

Sure, we may get a "blah blah blah still working on it blah blah blah" type answer. It's better than the whole lot of nothing we've got since the Guild Summit. The deleted Tweet was extremely insulting, and well under the radar.

Besides, if this gets picked up (and I have a feeling it will,) EAware won't be able to dodge so easily this time. With so many gaming sites potentially viewing this, I don't think the stock answer will cut it this time.

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MagusGothica
12.03.2012 , 12:50 PM | #3553
Quote: Originally Posted by natashina View Post
I may already be happily married, but I could just kiss you right now!

Getting those mails off now.

Edit: Btw Magus, I've seen Black Label Society every time they've come to Denver with two exceptions. I also got to meet the members of Pantera (except for Phil) when I was 14. I love all kinds of music, but I'll admit I'm a pretty big metalhead. \m/
Lol, that made my day. Thank you.

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LegendaryBlade
12.03.2012 , 01:00 PM | #3554
These really should of been in at launch; I imagine the only reason they weren't was to appease Lucas and his weird "gay people can't be force sensitive" thing. For someone who talked a lot about tolerance when making Red Tails he sure is a...

Anyway, it'll probably be awhile. It'll likely be new characters or companions, which will need to be voice acted and have their whole script written.
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Nozybidaj
12.03.2012 , 01:01 PM | #3555
Quote: Originally Posted by natashina View Post

Besides, if this gets picked up (and I have a feeling it will,) EAware won't be able to dodge so easily this time. With so many gaming sites potentially viewing this, I don't think the stock answer will cut it this time.
No no, I think its still a good idea to reach out even if just for giggles at the possible embarrassment it would cause for EA/BW if this gets picked up. I just don't think it will get us a straight answer. Even if they haven't been working on it or even if they never had any intention of working on it we'll still get the same answer we got at the Guild Summit just worded differently.

I'll get a good laugh if some game sites and/or GLBT groups start making a fuss about it, but in the end until BW actually adds the content to the game anything they say about it would be meaningless. After everything that has happened surrounding this issue how am I supposed to put stock in any words they have to say till they actually back it up with results?

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Tatile
12.03.2012 , 01:09 PM | #3556
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Hello Gawker,

It may seem odd that I'm contacting you on this matter, but the LGBT+ community of Star Wars: The Old Republic (SWTOR) is at its wit's end.

As you can see in this thread: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=476215 , we have been attempting to extract further information from Bioware with regards to same-sex content in the game since January.

Allow me to give you some history: during the open beta testing of SWTOR, many players asked if same-sex romances would be available as they had been in previous Bioware games (like the Dragon Age and Mass Effects series). The initial response of "There are no gays in Star Wars" was met with outrage and public denouncement. Due to the negative backlash on the forums, it was stated by Stephen Reid that same-sex romances would be made available in SWTOR, but would be a "post launch feature". Game launch rolled around in late December of 2011 and no further word was issued. At the time of making the above linked thread, January 17th 2012, there had been no further word. It was not until March, at the Guild Summit, after months of weekly Q&A sessions which ignored all queries on same-sex content, that Daniel Erickson, then writer for SWTOR, said that same-sex content would be bundled with other story content and would be released "this year". Despite requests for further clarification and inquiries as to the general state of the content, particularly given SWTOR's seemingly unexpected change to Free2Play, there has been no acknowledgement from Bioware that the content, let alone those wanting it, exist. The end of the year looms ever closer and it seems that SWTOR's LGBT+ community actually knows less now than it did at the beginning of 2012. Bioware and EA seem very happy to espouse their pro-LGBT and inclusive views (EA even going so far as to say that it has same-sex content in "all of its games"), but in reality are hesitant to act on these positions.

If nothing else, I would hope you could read Natashina's FAQ on the subject, which covers all the information the LGBT+ community have been given on the inclusion of same-sex romances, as well as containing statements from EA and Bioware regarding their positions on same-sex content:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...67&postcount=9

All we are asking for is that Bioware comes to us and says, simply, whether or not same-sex content is still to be included in Star Wars: The Old Republic. And yet we are forced to go beyond Bioware and EA to the media to ask for help, because Bioware appears to be content with ignoring us.



Thank you very much for your time.

Faithfully,
Tatile
Sent that to http://gawker.com/

I've got something planned for tumblr.com as well.

Edit: Ok... I kind of suddenly hate the idea of using tumblr, but I will, someday soon :/

Edit-edit: Just sent the above to http://www.advocate.com/contact - a gay news and network site. They also have a submission system, if anyone is feeling sane enough to write an article on the subject

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stormdrakelord
12.03.2012 , 01:52 PM | #3557
Quote: Originally Posted by Zandilar View Post
Just had a quick glance through the Vette 101, and noticed that again in the romance section - while the big picture is a male Sith and Vette, the text is gender-neutral (deliberately so).
Link? just so I can actually read it myself.
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Tatile
12.03.2012 , 01:55 PM | #3558
Quote: Originally Posted by stormdrakelord View Post
Link? just so I can actually read it myself.
http://www.swtor.com/blog/companions-101-vette - there you go

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Kioma
12.03.2012 , 03:41 PM | #3559
Quote: Originally Posted by Slaign View Post
So yeah, I do think they keep an eye on this thread. That doesn't necessarily mean that the attention goes beyond mere moderation, though.
I'd say it's self-evident that they at least read it for moderation purposes. Hell, some might be adamantly sympathetic to our concerns but the moderators are just that - moderators. They can't make the information up. Where the Community Team sits within the decision to release certain forms of information I don't know, but the developers are the ones with that information so this falls primarily to them, and to the people holding their leashes.
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Palar
12.03.2012 , 03:43 PM | #3560
Quote: Originally Posted by Tatile View Post
As an ally myself, I've seen where the LGBT movement gets the idea of being alone. Some bad allies have the LGBT equivalent of the "white saviour complex", wherein they support LGBT persons and ideals* and then proclaim how awesome they are for doing so and how everyone should love them for it.
True - I'll back this to the end, but I was wary of doing the letter thing because I didn't want to sound like I presumed to speak for others. "Nobody wins unless everybody wins" is good and all, provided it doesn't slip into 'liberal guilt' whining. I don't know...


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