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Same gender relationships clarifications?
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Uluain
11.05.2012 , 11:11 AM | #2951
Quote: Originally Posted by SenatorPalpaTANG View Post
Why do people care so much about this?
...Because it should have been here all along?

Why do you care about things you care about? Why are others' concerns any different?

They do fix bugs, and they have added other content, and no one is saying they shouldn't.

But they also said this would be in, and they said when it will be in. So yes, I expect them to hold to that. Why shouldn't I?

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ImperialSun
11.05.2012 , 11:21 AM | #2952
Quote: Originally Posted by Uluain View Post
...Because it should have been here all along?

Why do you care about things you care about? Why are others' concerns any different?

They do fix bugs, and they have added other content, and no one is saying they shouldn't.

But they also said this would be in, and they said when it will be in. So yes, I expect them to hold to that. Why shouldn't I?
Whilst I stated earlier in this thread I would have no problem with SGR being added tomorrow, your posts do come accross as extremely arrogant.

In reality you have the word of writers / developers who mostly no longer even work for BW. The amount of actual commitment to implementing SGR is quite scarce and from what I have seen amounts to maybe half a dozen references to this feature being added.

The tone of your posts however is that this is actually definitely coming and as we all know, until its confirmed with a release date by a dev and detailed in patch notes then nothing is guaranteed.

You are so emphatic it actually makes me wonder, why have BW been so scant on detail and so quiet about SGR aside from the generic "yeah we'd love to add that to the game and its in definitely in the works" type of response?

Driz

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PresentTense
11.05.2012 , 11:32 AM | #2953
Quote: Originally Posted by SenatorPalpaTANG View Post
Why do people care so much about this?

Storyline development stops with your class story and gear and items basically become ways to show off... so who cares? The operations and pvp in this game are such a minor part of the overall story.

They can push this off for another year for all i care if they can fix their bugs and get some real new content out.
It's all a matter of perspective. For people who care more about the class stories than the endgame, this is a big deal, whether they're LGBT or not. My smuggler and warrior are still camping at level 1, where they've been for a year now, because I don't want to screw myself out of content that I've been told is coming and that I've planned into those characters' stories.

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stuffystuffs
11.05.2012 , 11:48 AM | #2954
Quote: Originally Posted by ImperialSun View Post
The tone of your posts however is that this is actually definitely coming and as we all know, until its confirmed with a release date by a dev and detailed in patch notes then nothing is guaranteed.
I think you're reading more in his post that's not there.

Uluain posted that the devs stated SGRA's will be added (which they did) and when (which they also did) and he expects them to hold to this (which is reasonable).

Not quite the same as saying they are definitely coming.

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Uluain
11.05.2012 , 11:57 AM | #2955
Quote: Originally Posted by stuffystuffs View Post
I think you're reading more in his post that's not there.
Thank you.

I am just saying what they have said. If it came out a bit sharp, that's because we have in fact asked and not been told otherwise.

So I am counting on them keeping their word. We gave them all this time since March to say "yeah, we're having to push this back for the forseeable future" if that is what they need to do. Which they do say, sometimes, about some things (like the hood toggle). That's all.

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Uluain
11.05.2012 , 12:07 PM | #2956
Quote: Originally Posted by ImperialSun View Post
Whilst I stated earlier in this thread I would have no problem with SGR being added tomorrow, your posts do come accross as extremely arrogant.

In reality you have the word of writers / developers who mostly no longer even work for BW. The amount of actual commitment to implementing SGR is quite scarce and from what I have seen amounts to maybe half a dozen references to this feature being added.

The tone of your posts however is that this is actually definitely coming and as we all know, until its confirmed with a release date by a dev and detailed in patch notes then nothing is guaranteed.

You are so emphatic it actually makes me wonder, why have BW been so scant on detail and so quiet about SGR aside from the generic "yeah we'd love to add that to the game and its in definitely in the works" type of response?

Driz
You use "whilst" and say I sound conceited? My tone is just frustrated and impatient.

As you point out, the original announcement (which remains the stock reply from CS) is by the former Community Manager, who left the studio last May. The Guild summit statement was by Daniel Erickson, who has also left BioWare this past summer. And you are right that is all we have to go on.

Which is why we have a thread here, asking if this is all still legit, and why I have very strongly recommended that a new statement on this content might be to the good.

We meaning the players who keep up this thread shouldn't be the ones having to justify the inclusion of this content. If you want to know why BioWare is adding it, ask them.

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DeepRealm
11.05.2012 , 02:42 PM | #2957
Much as I'd like to see some FemTwi-FemTwi action, the other posters are sadly correct.

A few posts from a year ago from people who have mostly left the developer doesn't really count in MMO development terms. If this was happening there would have been some sort of update or feedback. Face it, it's not happening, or at least not for a long time. F2P to try and stave off financial disaster will have taken overriding priority.

I'm sorry to say it, but someone has to. If you're playing in the hope that SGRA's are coming "Soon" (tm), then I suggest you find some other leisure activity.

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Tatile
11.05.2012 , 03:01 PM | #2958
The fact that Stephen Reid and Daniel Erickson have left is why we're constantly pestering the Community Team for an update (you may or may not have seen my whargle-bargle a few pages back) - we realise that the game and development has gone into total upheaval from the Free2Play announcement and the general issues of this being their first MMO. The closest we've had to an official word since May (May? Guild Summit was May?) is Mr. Amatengelo's "if, maybe, not sure".

If this was on hold, or scrapped, I would have hoped they would have let us know. However, given Bioware's wonderful ability to convey the time of day, let alone anything else, I find that somewhat doubtful. I - and others - live with the assumption that previous statements are correct, but need confirmation of this.

If anything, at this point, this thread survives because we'd rather the content not fall by the way side.

It's easy to say "put this on hold for bug fixes", but extension of that means that warzones, Operations and FlashPoints should also be on hold until people can actually play the game with stability and certainty. I mean, what's the point in releasing two new warzones if people can't stay connected for more than an hour or if their face suddenly and disturbingly melts into their chest?

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stuffystuffs
11.05.2012 , 03:23 PM | #2959
Quote: Originally Posted by Tatile View Post
If this was on hold, or scrapped, I would have hoped they would have let us know. However, given Bioware's wonderful ability to convey the time of day, let alone anything else, I find that somewhat doubtful. I - and others - live with the assumption that previous statements are correct, but need confirmation of this.
Yeah, they are pretty bad at conveying information on upcoming features/changes beyond the new features that is the highlight of their patch (like, F2P and HK-fifty-whatever).

I don't consider SGRA's to be a 'new' feature but more like an alteration/improvement of an existing feature. Those type of changes tend to just show up un-announced on the PTS and in the PTS patch notes. I'm guessing the same will happen with SGRA's.

So, yeah, I don't think their silence means "not going to see this" given their track record.

It would still be nice to hear some details now, but I'm not expecting anything until it hits the PTS.

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Tatile
11.05.2012 , 03:28 PM | #2960
Quote: Originally Posted by stuffystuffs View Post
I don't consider SGRA's to be a 'new' feature but more like an alteration/improvement of an existing feature. Those type of changes tend to just show up un-announced on the PTS and in the PTS patch notes. I'm guessing the same will happen with SGRA's.
Which will result in a lot of the "anti" crowd yelling at Bioware for trying to sneak SGRA's in through the back door.

I personally think it would be better for everyone involved if Bioware just starts to bloody talk about the subject. They've made it into an issue by not releasing it at launch and then not talking about it.