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Same gender relationships clarifications?
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natashina
10.30.2012 , 08:50 PM | #2781
Disney... /sigh

I honestly feel the SW IP is in good hands. Now, if it had been the Michael Eisner era, then I'd be worried. Thankfully, we're past that. Stupid jerk almost ran Disney into the ground imho.

I'm going to start googling tonight for references to Disney's LGBT stance. Even when people don't want to listen (and some will refuse to) I still want the links on hand.

One of the cruxes of my stance kinda depended upon "Gay Day" being officially. Sadly, it isn't. Oh well, I'm sure I'll find a couple of links about thoughts about the LGBT community.

I'll look tonight, and I'll probably get back to you guys within the next day or so.

Oh and Happy Halloween/Merry Samhain to everyone! Be safe, have fun. I'm going to put the jack o' lanterns out with da Doup. He did a Stay Puft pumpkin, and a couple more generic ones. I'm dressing all witchy and giving out candy to the munchkins.

PS: I fell for Vector hard. As another poster said, he's just in such harmony with the Song of the Universe. I didn't find him boring at all. I had romanced Kira on my male JK, but this story was even more sweet. Anytime he uses the pronoun "I" instead of "We," I do a happy sigh.

Major spoilers incoming...read at your own risk!

Spoiler


As you can probably tell, I finished the romance and happily had my toon marry him.

Anyhow, I'll see you guys soon. I'll post any updated info onto the site.

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natashina
10.30.2012 , 08:56 PM | #2782
Sorry for two posts back to back, but I was wondering if this would work for the FAQ:

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Gay Days Disney began in 1998 with about 2,500 guests, and large-scale organized protests that have been absent for the past several years. Although the event isn’t officially sanctioned by Disney, said Gay Days Anaheim Producer Eddie Shapiro, the park cooperates with organizers with events like a morning "gay cruise" on the Mark Twain Riverboat, a photo op in front of the Sleeping Beauty Castle and special lunch events for gay families, lesbians and bears.

"Although it has evolved beyond just the red shirts, we have to wear them to show that we are the majority this weekend," said Shapiro. "It’s also a place for gays to reclaim that childhood comfort and safety. In Disney films, the underdog always triumphs, and that appeals to gays."
Source: http://www.edgeonthenet.com/travel//...est_of_anaheim

Here's another. It talks about Disneyworld in Japan allowing same sex marriages to be preformed. They did have this part:

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In the U.S., same-sex couples have been allowed to hold commitment ceremonies at Walt Disney World in Florida and Disneyland in Southern California for years.

And although Disney had previously limited its pricey "Fairy Tale Wedding" package -- which includes a ceremony at one of the parks' marriage pavilions, costumed characters at the reception, and a ride in a horse-drawn, glass-enclosed carriage through the Disney property -- to couples with valid marriage licenses, the company changed its policy in April 2007 to include couples entering civil partnerships after an inquiry from a gay guest.

According to The Washington Post, gay couples can take advantage of the "Fairy Tale Wedding" package at Disney's U.S. theme parks and aboard its cruise ships, even if the ceremony is not technically legal.
Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1519542.html

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Uluain
10.30.2012 , 09:02 PM | #2783
Quote: Originally Posted by natashina View Post
I'm going to start googling tonight for references to Disney's LGBT stance. Even when people don't want to listen (and some will refuse to) I still want the links on hand.
Good plan.

What I do know is that Disney extends full spousal benefits to same-sex domestic partners.

Disney also permits same-sex couples to hold weddings in the fairy-tale wedding pavilions and even at Cinderella's Castle at their theme parks, after addressing a misunderstanding in this regard at Tokyo Disneyland (parks in Orlando and Anaheim have accomodated same-sex weddings for years).

This is interesting as Disney does not own Tokyo Disneyland but only licenses the use of Disney trademarks, yet had sufficient clout and interest to assert their inclusive position was intrinsic to the image and values of the company.

Most significantly, it was after Disney acquired Marvel Comics that Marvel introduced the fact that one of its superheroes is gay, introduced his male love interest and told the story of their wedding.

That last point is the most direct parallel to the current situation, of Disney acquiring a franchise and not exerting influence to suppress same-gender romantic content. I see no reason why they would now.

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natashina
10.30.2012 , 09:08 PM | #2784
You mean like this:

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/...x-men-20120522

It took me a few to find a non obscure website on the subject. I think that works

Busy night for me, but I can't argue. I actually love gathering new information.

If anyone can find anything else, throw it on here. I'll be adding an intro to the question I'm putting in there and getting links embedding tonight.

"Isn't Disney opposed to same sex marriage?"

Gonna be a loooooong four to six weeks until we hopefully we get some information. I trust Disney, but people can be stupid.

Edit: I love this. It's true they offer benefits to same sex couples. It's right there on their official website!

http://corporate.disney.go.com/citiz...rkingatdisney/

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natashina
10.30.2012 , 09:33 PM | #2785
Wow, didn't take as much time as I thought it would. This is probably the second longest question on the FAQ now. I wanted to armor plate our butts as much as we can with facts, especially since it's Disney and it's going to be a whole new set of redundant and silly questions.

And away we go!




10) Isn't Disney opposed to same sex marriage?



To begin with, Disney currently offers benefits for same sex couples and has for years.
This is from the official website.



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Disney is committed to the total well-being — physical, emotional and financial — of our employees and cast members. Disney Healthy Pursuits is the collection of benefits and wellness programs we offer our employees to support them in their pursuits of a healthier life. In 2009, as part of Disney Healthy Pursuits, we launched a new Wellness Rewards Program. Employees who participate are eligible for financial incentives in return for making healthy choices. Currently, the Wellness Rewards Program is part of a multi-year approach to recognize employees who are taking healthy steps and getting results. Employees can earn up to $300 (or double if their spouse or same-sex domestic partner also participates) to help offset their healthcare costs. As of November 30, 2010, 54% of eligible employees had completed the Personal Health Assessment required to qualify for the program.

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One of Disney’s foundational values is to respect, appreciate and value everyone. In keeping with this philosophy, same-sex domestic partners are considered dependents and are eligible for benefits.


Recently, same sex marriages started to be performed at Tokyo Disney, with a relevant part to the US.


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In the U.S., same-sex couples have been allowed to hold commitment ceremonies at Walt Disney World in Florida and Disneyland in Southern California for years.
And although Disney had previously limited its pricey "Fairy Tale Wedding" package -- which includes a ceremony at one of the parks' marriage pavilions, costumed characters at the reception, and a ride in a horse-drawn, glass-enclosed carriage through the Disney property -- to couples with valid marriage licenses, the company changed its policy in April 2007 to include couples entering civil partnerships after an inquiry from a gay guest.
According to The Washington Post, gay couples can take advantage of the "Fairy Tale Wedding" package at Disney's U.S. theme parks and aboard its cruise ships, even if the ceremony is not technically legal.

Finally, Marvel Comics, owned by Disney, has an interracial gay couple from the X-Men series married as of June of this year.

There is no reason to believe that SGRs in The Old Republic will be cut because of Disney's viewpoint.

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Silthir
10.31.2012 , 12:45 AM | #2786
Quote: Originally Posted by Eleuril View Post
I was hoping we would get both. Probably not going to happen, I know. I just think that if we can have multiple options for OGRs they should consider including more than a "token" SGR character of each sex for every class. I said before I liked Temple but not Kaliyo. Well, it was nice that I could choose which to romance. I hope we have some choice with SGRs too.
Just my opinion and I've stated it elsewhere I believe, though I'm unsure if it was this thread or another, but I do not believe Kaliyo to actually be bisexual. I rather think she's the one who will do what she needs to in order to get what she wants, even if it results in a sexual nature with a woman... I do not however believe she actually enjoys it. She seems more... straight to me than Ensign Temple. I do hpe Vector is the SGRA for Male Agents, but I'll probably have to reroll to do that, considering I'm probably way too far in conversations to actually have him as a romance.
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natashina
10.31.2012 , 01:02 AM | #2787
Vector is worth reroll imho, as is the IA story. It's sad you might have to do that, but I felt he was a lot of fun. Also, he was quite swoon worthy and I loved every second of it. I really really hope he's available for SGRs for those that want it. This is why I keep helping push for info. Romances like that are more than worth it and everyone should have at least the chance to experience that. They need to tell us if leveling makes a difference. To be honest, that's my biggest concern and I know it's a concern of other posters here.

Btw, I still think Kailyo will be available for SGRs, but I'm starting to agree that she isn't bisexual per say. She seems like a "Try-sexual" kind of gal. If she tries it and likes it, she'll do it again. I think she does like batting for both teams, but is probably super picky about it. I personally really like the character, but she seems suited as a kind of big sister and a "bro" as it were. I've known some people like her IRL, both men and women. They were very cool to hang out with, but you wouldn't want to get physically and/or emotionally involved with people like that. They tended to have too much of a partying "love em and leave 'em" mindset. I usually didn't. So I couldn't see her for me personally with SGRs, but I could still see her becoming accessible to all.

I just met Temple, so I really couldn't say if I'd romance her one way or the other. Even though I decided to do the Kira romance on my JK, Temple strikes me as just a little too much of a student. She's really nice to watch progress. Shame I won't be using her much though. As a Sniper, it's been me and Loken for quite awhile.

Too bad you aren't on Shadowlands. I'd save a name for ya for when SGRs come out.

Shoot, I wish there was more OGR options for the ladies. Nothing too much against the characters, but I'm not thrilled with Quinn and Doc being the only options. Yes, you get a FTB with Pierce and I believe one with Therax, but that's it. It figures that Pierce was the one guy on the ship I could have seen my Jugg with. I'm not sure if there is a class where the ladies get more than one option. Anyone know?


I also popped in because I had to show you guys this.

Behold, Darth Maul Donald Duck!

Just awesome! Too bad it's not $200 worth of awesome to me lol.

Now I want a SW that'll become Darth Duck.

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Silthir
10.31.2012 , 01:19 AM | #2788
Quote: Originally Posted by natashina View Post
Vector is worth reroll imho, as is the IA story. It's sad you might have to do that, but I felt he was a lot of fun. Also, he was quite swoon worthy and I loved every second of it. I really really hope he's available for SGRs for those that want it. This is why I keep helping push for info. Romances like that are more than worth it and everyone should have at least the chance to experience that. They need to tell us if leveling makes a difference. To be honest, that's my biggest concern and I know it's a concern of other posters here.
Oh don't get me wrong. I will reroll for Vector, eagerly. I just wish I could have my current Agent romance him, since he's the one I use 99% of the time, save for boss fights when I use Scorpio... or course, Vector and I are of the same alignment, so I have massive Affection with him. When I heard about Vector I was like... "eh. A bug man? What a waste..." Then I actually saw him in game and got to know him in game and I'm just like... -totally in love- haha.

Quote: Originally Posted by natashina View Post
I just met Temple, so I really couldn't say if I'd romance her one way or the other. Even though I decided to do the Kira romance on my JK, Temple strikes me as just a little too much of a student. She's really nice to watch progress. Shame I won't be using her much though. As a Sniper, it's been me and Loken for quite awhile.

Too bad you aren't on Shadowlands. I'd save a name for ya for when SGRs come out.
I don't really know much about Ensign Temple, to be honest, but from what I know about her, she seems more lesbianic than straight imo. I thought about going for a romance with her on my Agent, but then I was like... "ehhhh.." so I decided not to. .-. It's bad enough my Agent had to marry a Voss woman so he could progress... I decided not to traumatize him with a second female........ "companion".

Heh. Thanks. :P I'm on The Harbinger however. xD
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Baptes
10.31.2012 , 01:24 AM | #2789
You don't suppose what with Disney now acquiring Lucasarts, maybe we could ask them to put a bit of pressure?

You know, just to get some information? Considering how inclusive they seem?

*sigh* Its a sorry state when we have to hope for outside influences to gain a small amount of information about an upcoming game feature. And its completely unnecessary.

If.

They.

Would.

Just.

Answer.

The.

Damn.

Questions!!!!!

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Silthir
10.31.2012 , 01:27 AM | #2790
Quote: Originally Posted by Baptes View Post
You don't suppose what with Disney now acquiring Lucasarts, maybe we could ask them to put a bit of pressure?

You know, just to get some information? Considering how inclusive they seem?
I was under the impression that Disney only bought LucasFilms and not LucasArts. I may be wrong, but if they only purchased LucasFilms, then you're not gonna really get much help. They'll just blow Disney off, much the same way we have been. However. I'm taking the optimitic road and assuming SGRAs are coming out with Makeb.
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