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Same gender relationships clarifications?
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natashina
10.24.2012 , 06:40 PM | #2511
My response on Facebook regarding the whole romance question:


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Pierce is unfinished and a fade to black doesn't quite cut it. I would love to romance Kira or Kalyio, but for some reason the PROMISED sgr content has not made it into the game. Way to push the whole, "this year" statement guys.

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Uluain
10.24.2012 , 06:44 PM | #2512
The rotten thing is that I don't think that they are going to abandon SGRs, that they will implement them, but that when they do we will have not had any information given beforehand to let us know how best to set ourselves up to enjoy them (Do I level or not? Will this be available befor level 50? Will this be available at level 50? If I pass the point where OG romance begins with that companion, have I missed it for SG? Will the companion I am hoping to romance even be available or am I better off not hoping? etc).

All of these are points that must be known by those developing the content if we are going to see it this year at all. They could answer these questions, but for whatever reason they won't.

Since this summer, I have kept my subscription current as much for the Cartel Coin bonus as anything else. After that, it really is getting to the point where frustration over the absence of this content, compounded by the cavalier disregard shown toward players interested in it, is outweighing my enjoyment of the game. And that is a terrible shame. I like this game a lot. I really do. So to have sand metaphorically kicked in my face like this is genuinely disappointing.

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Palar
10.24.2012 , 07:00 PM | #2513
Quote: Originally Posted by Uluain View Post
The rotten thing is that I don't think that they are going to abandon SGRs, that they will implement them, but that when they do we will have not had any information given beforehand to let us know how best to set ourselves up to enjoy them (Do I level or not? Will this be available befor level 50? Will this be available at level 50? If I pass the point where OG romance begins with that companion, have I missed it for SG? Will the companion I am hoping to romance even be available or am I better off not hoping? etc).

All of these are points that must be known by those developing the content if we are going to see it this year at all. They could answer these questions, but for whatever reason they won't.

Since this summer, I have kept my subscription current as much for the Cartel Coin bonus as anything else. After that, it really is getting to the point where frustration over the absence of this content, compounded by the cavalier disregard shown toward players interested in it, is outweighing my enjoyment of the game. And that is a terrible shame. I like this game a lot. I really do. So to have sand metaphorically kicked in my face like this is genuinely disappointing.
Total agreement here: the vagueness of "when" wouldn't be so bad if they just answered the "who, how and which" questions - especially for the people having to park alts at certain planets and abandon them. (i.e, all of us)

All we're getting is the ever-present wall of silence... "remember, kids, you can't spell 'heteronormalcy' without 'normal'."

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Uluain
10.24.2012 , 07:07 PM | #2514
I think it is also appalling that the stock reply that the subject does get is from pre-launch and from a person who is no longer with the studio. I can almost recite it like the "Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi" speech:
Quote: Originally Posted by Stephen Reid
Due to the design constraints of a fully voiced MMO of this scale and size, many choices had to be made as to the launch and post-launch feature set. Same gender romances with companion characters in Star Wars: The Old Republic will be a post-launch feature. Because The Old Republic is an MMO, the game will live on through content expansions which allow us to include content and features that could not be included at launch, including the addition of more companion characters who will have additional romance options.
Likewise, anything we heard at the Guild Summit is from... someone no longer at the studio. What we have from current members of the development team is "Makeb, I think, but that's not really anything I do," from the PvP Czar and a "Here's the official word-->" pointing to that same uncertain interview in a comment deleted within a couple hours by the current Lead Writer (who, in all fairness, didn't have to say even that much, and who seems like a decent enough guy).

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natashina
10.24.2012 , 07:18 PM | #2515
I know they won't scrap SGRs, that they are coming and that it will (probably) be a really neat side to the romance arcs. Sometimes irritation and frustration get the better of me.

Right now, I think the two biggest questions we have is how and something resembling when. With leveling, should we keep truckin' to 50 or should we stop? Is some of the SGRs going to be as important to the story like, say, Kira? This is little things I'd like to know. Not necessarily who, but whether or not the companion so important to the story that we miss out by leveling.

The stupid boilerplate response from last year from a departed employee NO. LONGER. WORKS.

Guild Summit quotes from another departed employee(the biggest loss for equal rights for BW) NO. LONGER. WORKS.

The copy and pasta from the moderators NEVER. HAS. WORKED.

And vague statements from a PvP developer in an otherwise unrelated interview DOES. NOT. WORK.

Twitter should not be where we have to go for ANY confirmation. Electric Arts/BioWare is just one company with an MMO that overuses Twitter, and leaves the players here even more confused.

Deleted Tweets DO. NOT. WORK

It isn't any real information, but it does leave me with the sensation of being given the runaround.

As I stated in my letters and pm's, an official word (seriously, it's still "coming this year?") other than Soon(tm) would go a long way to assure the LGBT player base that they care. At least let us know if we are missing story by leveling ahead of time.

Anger I have. Calm the devs, they can. Vital information is.

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Uluain
10.24.2012 , 07:32 PM | #2516
We know roughly when - sometime around the end of December, or else somewhere around early February, going by the 6 week target dates and assuming Makeb is in fact it (thanks for letting me open a thread to ask, but it would be nice to know one way or the other), and assuming Makeb is the next content patch or so.

Who and how are what they have never really even commented on beyond Mr. Erickson's "companions who make sense" and "no, I won't tell you" remarks, which we have picked over like buzzards stripping a carcass for months now.

And just to make this point again, it isn't just LGBT players who want this. My straight, married, church-going mother of three sister wants this (she thinks Mako really suits her female BH concept as a love-interest). Other self-descrbed straight players, of both genders, have stopped by to check in here. Some were regular posters (MusedMoose is much missed). Many of them also helped us show a presence in the Community Q&A, week after week, so that roughly one in ten questions asked regarded SGRs not that they ever were addressed!

This content has appeal beyond LGBT players, and that is a point that is overlooked or simply never occurs to naysayers who dismiss those interested in SGRs as an insignificant minority, so I thought it worth addressing.

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natashina
10.24.2012 , 07:39 PM | #2517
Wouldn't February violate this whole, "this year statement?" I'm nitpicking, but I'm not trying to pick on you Uluain. Promise. I know it's not just the LGBT community that wants this. Any type of roleplayer that wants this is more than apart of it as well. Didn't mean to come off otherwise. My bad.

Eh, otherwise I see your point. The who I care about are there the ones that have the biggest impact on the class story. Finding out if, for example, Kira or Kaylio are going to be available would really help. That would tie in the how to level til then nicely.

They are just two examples of companions with a huge impact on the class story. Those are the ones whom we need know I think.

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Palar
10.24.2012 , 07:44 PM | #2518
Quote: Originally Posted by natashina View Post
Wouldn't February violate this whole, "this year statement?" I'm nitpicking, but I'm not trying to pick on you Uluain. Promise. I know it's not just the LGBT community that wants this. Any type of roleplayer that wants this is more than apart of it as well. Didn't mean to come off otherwise. My bad.

Eh, otherwise I see your point. The who I care about are there the ones that have the biggest impact on the class story. Finding out if, for example, Kira or Kaylio are going to be available would really help. That would tie in the how to level til then nicely.

They are just two examples of companions with a huge impact on the class story. Those are the ones whom we need know I think.
They were very careful never to clarify "this calendar year"... I've been wary of that for months now. (As opposed to how generous their other clarifcations have been, I know...)

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Uluain
10.24.2012 , 08:17 PM | #2519
I am allowing for February because development time is inevitably elastic. With the best intentions in the world, Makeb might be pushed back. They are surprising me, however, by bundling in F2P alongside Belsavis Area X and HK-51 (I had supposed the two would be deployed separately). I am supposing that Makeb and Ancient Hypergates may be the same content patch as well... but we simply don't know.

I think "this year" meant 2012, and also "the first year from Launch" which amounts to about the same thing. I think it is reasonably decent of them to schedule SGRs within this first year of development, as that is a crowded and crucial time for any new MMO and the F2P thing must have cramped some design time for other things. But it certainly sounded at the Guild Summit as though they had already firmly committed to the first story expansion for the first year, which is a good goal to set. Here is hoping they meet it.

On the other hand (said the Libra), as often as we have wondered, or asked if the timing has been adversely affected by changes at the studio or in the direction of the game, that bald statement of "this year" has never been clarified or reconfirmed. So my optimism is a tad brittle.

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Palar
10.24.2012 , 08:35 PM | #2520
Quote: Originally Posted by Uluain View Post
I think "this year" meant 2012, and also "the first year from Launch" which amounts to about the same thing. I think it is reasonably decent of them to schedule SGRs within this first year of development, as that is a crowded and crucial time for any new MMO and the F2P thing must have cramped some design time for other things.
True - I'm a wave 2 "Red-Zoner" so Launch, in my mind, was March; I keep forgetting it was actually New Year's.