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Same gender relationships clarifications?

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Same gender relationships clarifications?
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Tatile
10.01.2012 , 02:37 PM | #2001
Quote: Originally Posted by Uluain View Post
Maybe... but do you think there is anyone left on the Writer Team who doesn't know how hotly anticipated and controversial same-gender romance is?
Maybe the writer wanted to put "they" (denominator for all genders) but wasn't allowed to due to the presumed gag order in place*? They wrote the romances before release (and before they decided to ditch SGRA's) so Kaliyo's post-romances letters were also then written, perhaps they didn't get time to edit them into being ONLY MEN ALL THE TIME.

Even though both my Agents are male, I still think Kaliyo should be bi or pan.

*I can just imagine some hand-wringing suit leaning over their shoulder say "No, you can't do that! Someone might think she's one of those bisexual people! And then where would we be?"
"Closer to where we should be?"

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Baptes
10.01.2012 , 02:41 PM | #2002
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/me is happy about that fedback, but still won't click the spoler. (typing this while staring at the keyboard)
I've just seen a trailer in before the game came out that implied that she was somewhat masochistic. "See? It doesn't even hurt anymore." or so.
Nah nothing big in the spoiler, just a little class info in case someone hasn't played a SW. Also the masochistic thing...
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Well there goes my bad habit of not reading sentences fully. Stupid speed reading habit. Anyway, the part you're referring to is completely avoidable and you'll never see it if you go LS and treat her even halfway like a sentient being.
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Tatile
10.01.2012 , 02:57 PM | #2003
Yeah, they/he are considered to somewhat interchangeable depending on how pedantic you are - I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt and it was just a stylistic slip, but I would have thought that they would have been more aware of their position and the fact that every statement (or non-statement) is reduced piecemeal and analyzed to death.

Or perhaps that should be:

I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt and it was just a stylistic slip, but I would have thought that he would have been more aware of his position and the fact that every statement (or non-statement) is reduced piecemeal and analyzed to death.

You know, because everyone is obviously male.

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Rabenschwinge
10.01.2012 , 03:04 PM | #2004
Quote: Originally Posted by Baptes View Post
Well there goes my bad habit of not reading sentences fully. Stupid speed reading habit. Anyway, the part you're referring to is completely avoidable and you'll never see it if you go LS and treat her even halfway like a sentient being.
It's entirely possible that I edited my post after you replied to it. I would treat her like a very twi'lek being, though, since my consular is twi'lek as well... I'd love to exchange a few head tail tricks with her and as long as she doesn't expect me to inflict pain on her, I might be able to organize some silken cloth bands. *dreamy sigh* Though I guess the galaxy will spin backwards before you get access to companions which were designed for different classes and have homosexual relationship with them.

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Uluain
10.01.2012 , 03:12 PM | #2005
Quote: Originally Posted by Tatile View Post
I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt and it was just a stylistic slip, but I would have thought that he would have been more aware of his position and the fact that every statement (or non-statement) is reduced piecemeal and analyzed to death.
Well, that's where I think giving us the figurative finger comes in. Sure they know. What else can we do when they don't talk to us?

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Tatile
10.01.2012 , 03:19 PM | #2006
Quote: Originally Posted by Uluain View Post
Well, that's where I think giving us the figurative finger comes in. Sure they know. What else can we do when they don't talk to us?
Well if this means Kaliyo's not bi does that make Temple the lesbian romance option or do Agents not get any?

Can you imagine that? "We thought only one of the existing companions "made sense" as a romance option, so here you go, bisexual... Corso, I guess. Yay."

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Uluain
10.01.2012 , 03:23 PM | #2007
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Well if this means Kaliyo's not bi does that make Temple the lesbian romance option or do Agents not get any?
No - I think Kaliyo likely is. I just think they won't tell us, even though we're told they have know for over a year.

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Baptes
10.01.2012 , 03:34 PM | #2008
Quote: Originally Posted by Uluain View Post
No - I think Kaliyo likely is. I just think they won't tell us, even though we're told they have know for over a year.
Which says either A: They are the biggest jerks ever. Could be. The game devs I've met IRL were the most arrogant, condescending jerks I've seen outside of college. Not saying they all are like that but...

Or B: That is one nasty Byzantine gag order they live under. I mean holy crap, I've talked to former Secret Service agents who were more open and forthcoming.

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ebado
10.01.2012 , 03:44 PM | #2009
I posted in a few of these before the game came out, but I'd like to add my opinion on herosexuality.

I don't think it's ideal, but it's better than some alternatives. Going that route typically results in less varied romance options and kind of waters down playing through with a different character.

I enjoyed in Dragon Age the different romances available to you based on origin and gender, and not just with player characters. I remember playing a second male human noble in order to experience an NPC romance near the end of the game that I glossed over on my first playthrough, where my male noble dabbled with Zevran before getting cozy with Leilana. DA2 didn't really have any of this, other than FemHawkes also being able to flirt with Sebastian.

I think ideally you would have some strictly straight companions, some strictly gay, some bisexual, some one-night stands of any sexuality etc and have different things to experience on every playthrough. However, this would require a lot more writing I imagine hasn't been done (who knows, maybe it was done pre-release and not included for whatever reason, but I doubt it), so such a major overhaul is probably unrealistic given the realities of development now.

That's unrealistic and unlikely for this game though, so if it comes to herosexuality, that's more than fine, imo.

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Baptes
10.01.2012 , 03:55 PM | #2010
Quote: Originally Posted by Tatile View Post
If it means I don't get random whispers asking for cybersex, I can't say I'm terribly fussed. And I am guilty of using "he" until corrected, though nowadays I do use "they" more often.

But before we start getting into gender theory and the internet, let's go back to wondering how much the Bioware PR suits hate us in this thread. I'd say it's a fairly large dislike as they now know we aren't going to just shut up and go away.
Unfortunately it never stopped any of those whispers (and at least once in general chat much to everyone's amusement) from happening to me. Guess my in game avatarts are too sexy to resist or something.

Yeah, I misspelled "avatar" but once I saw how funny it looked I left it that way.

And boy, they must loathe us by now! We're that itch in a spot they just can't reach. It will eventually boil over if it hasn't begun to already. I feel like a child that wants attention so badly after being ignored for so long I'll take negative attention just so I can feel some kind of emotional response from an uncaring parent.