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Same gender relationships clarifications?
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Kioma
09.25.2012 , 03:12 PM | #1681
Quote: Originally Posted by Uluain View Post
I don't think they can. I think it's likely that even Gabe A. probably shouldn't have let slip what he did, had protocols been followed. I really get a sense that they really don't like the fact that the current strictures give the strong impression that they are neglecting the subject. I also infer some attempts to work around the policy in various ways, and perhaps even hints that there is some movement toward re-assessing how this subject is handled.

Just for one example, the thread I started in General Discussion is still open, and not because the Community Team has overlooked it they have already been through at least once to sweep out problem posts, and are just letting it run, perhaps experimentally. A small change, certainly. But that is a huge departure from how things have been done in the past. And I think one that indicates real attention to the meta-issue of how SGR discussion is treated, and is a step in the right direction.
I'd agree with you, but for one thing: one of them - it doesn't even really matter which one - could actually come in here and post a single post saying, 'Yes, we do read this. No, we aren't ignoring you. Yes, we will update you when the time is right (which isn't right now). They could come to the coal-face, so to speak, and actually say it for themselves - but they haven't.

Hell, they could actually SAY they're under an NDA. We don't even know that for certain, as far as I know. It's just assumption (though reasonably safe assumption).

I'll be clear: I'm not saying that they ARE ignoring us. I'm saying that we've been given no way of knowing for certain that they're not.
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Kioma
09.25.2012 , 03:15 PM | #1682
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Kioma - not showing that you're listening is as bad as flat out ignoring someone,
Yyyes, that's pretty much what I said.

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from an outsider's perspective it's basically the same thing.
From an outsider's perspective, yes. But they're not the same thing. One is worse and it's up for debate which - to ignore someone, or to pay attention and purposefully let them think you're ignoring them.
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Uluain
09.25.2012 , 03:32 PM | #1683
Quote: Originally Posted by Kioma View Post
I'll be clear: I'm not saying that they ARE ignoring us. I'm saying that we've been given no way of knowing for certain that they're not.
You have no idea how difficult it is for me not to launch into a whole epistemological, metaphysical adventure in reply to that, but I'm making the effort.

Yes, they could have. Eventually, after I found the right burning slivers to poke in the right tender tissues, Joveth did come in and say that for them. It ought not have taken the measures it did for that to happen. But again, I infer that somehow that gave Joveth not just incentive but something he could show to the Hypothetical Order of Keepers of Silence in order to persuade them to allow it. There being a policy, part of which includes no discussion of the policy, prohibiting certain discussions is simply the only explanation I can find that makes sense of how they respond when they can, versus the general demoralizing silence.

Honestly though, unless they could come in and hit my five bullet points directly, would that satisfy us? And even if they did, would there not be follow-up questions and issues ad infinitum? I can see the difficulty in knowing what to say when they can't say all they'd like. I want the answers, sure. But I want the content more, and at least we do know now that really and truly they've not just dropped it by the wayside.

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losdia
09.25.2012 , 03:37 PM | #1684
I'm not sure about this, but right now I would be surprised if we see SGR before December. If BW keeps to the update schedule we should see 1.5 around the middle of November, but 1.4 may have some... issues that will slow down the process. I wasn't really paying attention to this until I started playing a new main on PTS, but 1.4 has a graphics fix to make the game look less clunky. The effect of this fix can best be described as very pretty but Crash Happy and Lag-tastic for the client. I honestly have no idea why they are going live with this tomorrow, but I have a feeling that rolling out bug fixes to fix the fix are going to screw up any deployment time table BW has for the foreseeable future.
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Uluain
09.25.2012 , 04:01 PM | #1685
We're close to the equinox and 4.1 drops tonight, which makes 6 weeks out right around the beginning of November, which is the rumored debut of F2P and its accompanying whatever they bring with it. No, I am not expecting Makeb before the end of December, and it may get pushed back further.

But I do consider a Makeb release to be keeping faith with the "this year" promised in March development time being inherently fluid, but matching the commitment of SGRs coming with new story. Just now, I am happy to have confirmation of Gabe's remark, as well as a very firm confirmation that SGR is still in the cards.

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Tatile
09.25.2012 , 04:28 PM | #1686
Quote: Originally Posted by Kioma View Post
Yyyes, that's pretty much what I said.

From an outsider's perspective, yes. But they're not the same thing. One is worse and it's up for debate which - to ignore someone, or to pay attention and purposefully let them think you're ignoring them.
I was trying to agree with you and give some context for the next part of my baseless rant, but I've rectified my post now.

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Kioma
09.25.2012 , 04:31 PM | #1687
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I was trying to agree with you and give some context for the next part of my baseless rant, but I've rectified my post now.
Ah, gotcha, sorry.

For the record I don't think your post was baseless, or even overly ranty.
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Tatile
09.25.2012 , 04:41 PM | #1688
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Ah, gotcha, sorry.

For the record I don't think your post was baseless, or even overly ranty.
No, but I do - for instance, Mr. Hood has never posted on the forums and as far as I'm aware has only given a single interview, so there is no reason to suspect he would suddenly begin posting on the forum, let alone in this thread. I merely dislike the idea of his being head writer because of what he has written previously in this game (a lot of heavy straight flirting) and the fact that I can find little to nothing about him outside of SWTOR, giving me no basis of comparison for his works. We have only ever had information out of Bioware about this subject after continual harassment of its staff and most certainly then under duress, under this precedent they have no reason to start volunteering information to us.

It just leaves a foul taste in my mouth that the makers of this game could be so pathetic as to think this approach appropriate. And I've stopped attempting to be nice and polite about my opinion on the matter because I know that no one at Bioware is reading my posts, meaning I can say pretty much what I like.

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JediMB
09.25.2012 , 05:12 PM | #1689
Quote: Originally Posted by losdia View Post
I'm not sure about this, but right now I would be surprised if we see SGR before December. If BW keeps to the update schedule we should see 1.5 around the middle of November, but 1.4 may have some... issues that will slow down the process. I wasn't really paying attention to this until I started playing a new main on PTS, but 1.4 has a graphics fix to make the game look less clunky. The effect of this fix can best be described as very pretty but Crash Happy and Lag-tastic for the client. I honestly have no idea why they are going live with this tomorrow, but I have a feeling that rolling out bug fixes to fix the fix are going to screw up any deployment time table BW has for the foreseeable future.
Well, they've implemented some performance improvements on the regular servers since 1.4 went live on PTS, so it's quite possible that those will be added to the proper 1.4 release.

At least that's what I'm hoping, because my framerate on Tython was horrible when I tried 1.4 earlier.
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Palar
09.25.2012 , 05:27 PM | #1690
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It just leaves a foul taste in my mouth that the makers of this game could be so pathetic as to think this approach appropriate. And I've stopped attempting to be nice and polite about my opinion on the matter because I know that no one at Bioware is reading my posts, meaning I can say pretty much what I like.
Maybe they're hoping the deafening silence will nudge from "not even angry, just disappointed" to apathy. If so, it's kinda working. I want to care, but between this and "Oh yeah, we have Oceanic servers, don't we? Sorry you guys were confused... we hope to get around to weighing up your server pops and extra character slots. Stay tuned, we'll get back to you on that. Soon." If they have bones, now's the time to be throwing them.

(They do know MMOs are a buyer's market, right? They can't just give up and move on, like with DA2.)