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Same gender relationships clarifications?

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Same gender relationships clarifications?
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Tatile
09.22.2012 , 04:58 PM | #1601
Quote: Originally Posted by Eleuril View Post
Can I sulk and say I had my eye on Talos?
I was disappointed to find out Talos wasn't a romance option (for any gender) - he's just so adorable! It would be afternoon tea and bunches of flowers and stuttering and blushing over ancient Sith artifacts

He would just be a nice classical option against Andronikus's bad-boy image and Pierce's rough-and-ready attitude (Pierce should also totally be an SGRA, he seems to be appreciate power and physical aspects - an attraction to danger, which is why he goes for the Warrior? I don't know, don't really remember much about the Pierce romance...)

Edit: I learnt a new word! Sapiosexual Talos, maybe?

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Kioma
09.22.2012 , 04:58 PM | #1602
There are people of all types in the world and none of them are more or less valid than each other. The issue comes in when a group tries to claim that ALL people of a certain subsection of society are the same.

I know more than one woman who could be considered extremely 'butch' who're straight as arrows. I know women who are as femme as can be and are lesbians. I also know butch lesbians and femme heterosexuals - and the whole range on the male side, too. You just can't tell.

Also, here's something I think is utterly critical that people should remember: our concepts of 'stereotype' are based around how these sexualities have been portrayed and treated in our universe, which Star Wars is not. There's every chance that the wider galactic community (yes, even the passionate Sith) don't care who you jump in bed with. If that's the case then those stereotypes would simply not exist.

That's what I see as being the case in Mass Effect 3. Cortez and Traynor weren't a gay and a lesbian that joined the military. They were a man and a woman who joined the military, who also just happened to be homosexual - and far from being intimidated by it, those around them were entirely comfortable (as shown by the friendly banter between Cortez and Vega).

I think that these fears are well-founded but needless. Bioware seems to have learned from the reception of its Dragon Age 2 character, Serendipity (who, for the record, I actually quite liked). I get that this is a different group doing it but they'd be stupid to make the same mistakes, and while I think many things about BW:A, I don't think they're stupid.

Hell, in Dragon Age 2 the one woman who was arguably more butch than Varric - Aveline - was straight (and unavailable to Hawke - I was so sad when I learned that). It takes all types, and Bioware know that.

In all honesty I have no issues with personality types that we limited mortals see as 'stereotypical' as long as they're not the only ones in existence - because people who conform to stereotypes do actually exist. And a bit of flexibility in that would be great - an effeminite man who's straight, a butch woman who's bi, a huge hunky sex-god dude... who's asexual.

I'm talking wider than just the companion characters, of course, but you get my point (I hope).
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Eleuril
09.22.2012 , 05:04 PM | #1603
Quote: Originally Posted by Kioma View Post
In all honesty I have no issues with personality types that we limited mortals see as 'stereotypical' as long as they're not the only ones in existence - because people who conform to stereotypes do actually exist. And a bit of flexibility in that would be great - an effeminite man who's straight, a butch woman who's bi, a huge hunky sex-god dude... who's asexual.

I'm talking wider than just the companion characters, of course, but you get my point (I hope).
This is what I was trying to get at, obviously I was doing a poor job of it. Yes, I get your point.

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Uluain
09.22.2012 , 05:04 PM | #1604
Quote: Originally Posted by Eleuril View Post
Can I sulk and say I had my eye on Talos?
I am afraid I think it is likely that you will get him. And if that is the only option offered to SI, then that is unfortunate.

We don't know that SGRs will be available for every class or, even if they are, that there will be SGRs for both genders. That is another thing they have not clarified. Looking at the current roster of Smuggler companions, ruling out the Wookiee and the squid we're left with Corso as a potential male romance.

But what if Corso is not a companion who "makes sense" to the writers? Maybe, based on what I have seen of the male Smuggler experience, the writers decided it didn't "make sense" for male Smugglers to be offered a same-gender romance option at all. Want your SGR on a smuggler? Roll a female toon and romance Risha!

I wish I could say that scenario seems unlikely but... after levelling a male Smuggler, with all of the heavy-handed presumption of heterosexuality, it really wouldn't surprise me at all.

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Tatile
09.22.2012 , 05:09 PM | #1605
Quote: Originally Posted by Kioma View Post
a huge hunky sex-god dude... who's asexual.
Break my heat why don't you?

Quote: Originally Posted by Kioma View Post
I'm talking wider than just the companion characters, of course, but you get my point (I hope).
Oh absolutely. While I might disagree with someone constantly using stereotypes in their works, I would never dream of questioning someone if that's their personality. Also stereotypes do have their uses, particularly so if you're using them to challenge people's perceptions.

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Eleuril
09.22.2012 , 05:10 PM | #1606
Quote: Originally Posted by Uluain View Post
I am afraid I think it is likely that you will get him. And if that is the only option offered to SI, then that is unfortunate.

We don't know that SGRs will be available for every class or, even if they are, that there will be SGRs for both genders. That is another thing they have not clarified. Looking at the current roster of Smuggler companions, ruling out the Wookiee and the squid we're left with Corso as a potential male romance.

But what if Corso is not a companion who "makes sense" to the writers? Maybe, based on what I have seen of the male Smuggler experience, the writers decided it didn't "make sense" for male Smugglers to be offered a same-gender romance option at all. Want your SGR on a smuggler? Roll a female toon and romance Risha!

I wish I could say that scenario seems unlikely but... after levelling a male Smuggler, with all of the heavy-handed presumption of heterosexuality, it really wouldn't surprise me at all.
I won't disagree with you that it would be unfortunate if Talos were to be the only option. Andronikos seems to be something of a womaniser, but that doesn't rule out him being bisexual or something along those lines. Let's hope there is some choice for the players who prefer him.

I hope Corso is an option. He was another one of those companions I hoped would be in for SGRA. Your post has got me worrying about what "makes sense" to the writers, too. It would suck mightily if there was no SGRA option for male smugglers, to the point that I think I would delete both of mine.

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Uluain
09.22.2012 , 05:21 PM | #1607
I do hope that this thread genuinely is read, as it is these concerns not the presence or absence of SGRs per se that this thread is meant to address and have clarified. It's impossible to please everyone, and I understand that. But it also is important that those creating this content know that simply including some token options for some genders of some classes would look pretty pitiful after over a year's lead-time for anticipation.

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Tatile
09.22.2012 , 05:27 PM | #1608
If the Bioware writing team is as good as it's claimed to be, then hopefully they've already addressed the issues of just throwing in a couple of tokens and washing their hands of it. It would be nice if we could have some clarification on this (i.e. no, we're not taking the easy route of copy pasta'ing in stereotypes of "you've got a gay") but considering how silent the company has been on this subject that's just another thing we'll have to wait for.

I must say that this is a pitiful example of "clarification". They should just rename the thread to "Same Gender Relationships Discussion" because we have had zero meaningful input from Bioware.

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Uluain
09.22.2012 , 05:56 PM | #1609
We are stuck with the original, long-out-of-date initial two posts of this thread, as well. In actuality, SGR discussion is what this thread has had to become, as any topics relating to SGRs are redirected here.

Ostensibly, yes, we want these points clarified. I have not been holding my breath, but I would still like some sort of response from those in the know.

On the other hand, this thread now serves two other functions as well or better: One, a place to express concern for this content and its implementation and to be a visible reminder that we are in fact looking forward to it, and don't you forget it. And the other role it plays is simply to be where misconceptions regarding the coming SGRs can be addressed out of what information we have managed to gather together.

So it is worthwhile, regardless. But I agree that some clarification would be nice.

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BumpBump
09.22.2012 , 06:20 PM | #1610
Quote: Originally Posted by MoogleNut View Post
Some of us girls like the 'butch' variety thanks - and the girlie variety and the ones in-between too for that matter.
Not that I wouldn't mind new companions further down the line, romance-able or not, but from a resources/finances point of view, it would make more sense to open up some of the existing companions first before adding new ones with later class-story expansions.

I have to say, while I'm here, the little bit of info re Makeb and possible inclusion with that content has brought me back to playing again after a few months not really bothering - I'm trying to get my cyborg BH to 50 so when SGRAs do arrive, I'll be all set to make my cyborg JK for (hopefully) Kira

(That's if my laptop will stop playing silly mares with me - I think she's annoyed I keep switching games after an hour or so lately hehe)
Your tagline was what I wanted to quote (but can't) because you quoted Ray Muzyka calling SGR's important. He's retiring from BioWare and EA. That should tell you something bad about the hope of SGR's making it into the game before the last lights go out.