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Which Class, for being useful in groups?

irishtim's Avatar

06.09.2012 , 05:54 AM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by MacroPhotoFly View Post
I'm now with you Aetou (thank you for the post) and taking OmySpys points too, I've narrowed down my choice to Vanguards or Shadows for becoming a Tank.
I just found this comparison. Anyone alse have views between the two?
I play both these AC's on the Imp side (Assassin/Powertech) and they are both very fun my favorite of both of them is the Powertech though so that would be a Vangaurd on Rep side. But my focus is more of a PVP environment so i'm not too sure of how they fair in PVE although i have heard that if you have a healer they are basically both unstoppable when tanking

Now when it comes to the stories of these classes i have played through both (although on the other Adv classes sage/commando) and while i enjoyed both i know that a lot of other people didn't like the consular storyline for some reason

Consular story is basically - i need to save these Jedi, and help to Republic to look good for it's allies etc
while Trooper story is - Spec forces, yay Republic lets screw over the Empire

ChifferElite's Avatar

06.09.2012 , 05:55 AM | #12
I agree it's great to feel needed and I've often thought about being a guardian or vanguard but I've never tanked before and if your tank is bad and so is your healer then there just as useless as a dp's feels sometimes. I've played with some great tanks and healers but your always left with a bad bunch sometimes. Don't get me wrong it's a learning curve however some people don't want to learn. What I'm trying to say is there's always a place for a very skilled player no matter what class there playing.
One day I will more than likely make a vanguard but I'll sure as hell make certain I'm good at it

Aetou's Avatar

06.09.2012 , 07:40 AM | #13
I can't comment on the two classes' stories as my Shadow is only mid-30s and rather than a Vanguard I have a Powertech (at 50, though.) I do have a couple of Republic 50s though and have done plenty of PVP and Operations with both Shadow and Vanguard tanks.

On balance I'm not sure I'd agree that Shadows have better mobility than Vanguards. Although Shadows have that lovely (20s CD) Force Speed Vanguards have a 30m Charge ability that is seriously awesome. Both classes have Pulls so that is even. Shadow Tanks are getting nerfed quite significantly in 1.3 but they were probably the strongest prior to that so I'm not convinced they will become a bad choice. If I had to list the pros and cons of the two it would be as follows:

Vanguards have better overall damage reduction but worse CDs, which means that Shadows are better at dealing with big spikes of damage but overall the Vanguard is better at soaking up damage for extended periods.

Shadows have excellent self-healing, which offsets their lower mitigation and means they shine as Guards in PVP (as they can self-heal even when not being hit.)

Shadows have better utility - Stealth, Knockback and a 60s OOC mez while Vanguards have none unless you count Charge which is great in PVP. That said, Vanguards do have a great but short AOE stun.

Shadows deal better single target damage.

On balance, I'd say they are roughly equal in PVE (I'm happy with any of the three tank classes for Nightmare Operations) while the Shadow is stronger in PVP.

OmySpy's Avatar

06.09.2012 , 09:38 AM | #14
Thanks Ellvaan! That made my day.

The Trooper story basically starts out with there being a lot of traitors and enemies to the Republic, and you have to go around trying to stop them. You get to be a big hero and military leader.

Also, these other guys posting have great advice, and I agree wih Aetou; a Shadow has more overall utility and is good at many things in PVP, but the Vanguard is generally straight up tougher. If you're mostly concerned with protecting people in PVE, that would be the way to go.
(The Corsair) RezBanthamaul

MacroPhotoFly's Avatar

06.09.2012 , 06:44 PM | #15
Many thanks for all the advice so far! I have rolled both a Shadow and a Vanguard. Still trying to decide between for a few early levels.
One thing I don't yet get, (and please bear in mind my only prior experience of tanks is in a sword wielding world) is how can the Vanguard tank "at distance"? What I mean is, how can the Vanguard hold the focus of mobs if a bunch of lightsaber- wielding partners engage face to face when the Vanguard is off at the back with a laser rifle?

Vuknasty's Avatar

06.09.2012 , 07:43 PM | #16
Well you won't really be ALL that far away as a Vanguard tank.

You do get some tools to manage threat - taunts (hey bad guy HIT ME) and Guard (protect an ally and part of their threat goes to you instead). You have identified the challenge of tanking but I think it's fun and can vary quite a bit depending on your group. A good tank will switch targets, to make sure he has threat on all of them, and mix in AoE damage and pulls too.

EDIT: Spelling.

Blackardin's Avatar

06.09.2012 , 11:39 PM | #17
I cannot speak to the lesser side, but if you ever come to your sense and join the empire I would strongly suggest the power tech. I am currently the guild leader, raid leader, and main tank for our guild (and yes, quite insane), and I find that the power tech is the most versatile tank I've ever played (been tanking in these games for over 10 years). There is not a situation that I've found as a raider where the power tech does not have the tools to get the job done. Our dps is pretty solid for a tank and our mitigation is very strong.

Beyond that I think it boils down to a matter of style and preference as all the tanks do well in this game.

May the Schwartz be with you....

Aetou's Avatar

06.10.2012 , 02:54 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by MacroPhotoFly View Post
One thing I don't yet get, (and please bear in mind my only prior experience of tanks is in a sword wielding world) is how can the Vanguard tank "at distance"? What I mean is, how can the Vanguard hold the focus of mobs if a bunch of lightsaber- wielding partners engage face to face when the Vanguard is off at the back with a laser rifle?
A Vanguard is still a melee character, Stockstrike is one of your core attacks while your others have a 10m range. Yes, you can attack from further and that is great for building and holding threat but don't think for a moment you won't end up standing toe to toe with the boss most of the time (unless you need to kite because you're undergeared for the encounter.)

MacroPhotoFly's Avatar

06.10.2012 , 07:51 AM | #19
Melee with a rifle? I feel a bit fake ...and slugging someone with the stock of it also feels a tad unskilled?!? They should have allowed laser bayonets or something
Well after 6 levels of the Vangaurd and of the Shadow I'm still undecided. I feel less clumsy with the Vanguard but the Shadow is more "involving". I also find I want the Vanguard to be a good Republican, but my Shadow to break all the rules....

MacroPhotoFly's Avatar

06.23.2012 , 02:59 AM | #20
So I've got a Vanguard up and running to be my Tank but in the process of thinking which way to go I also got a Consular now at 10. I'm going to keep both running. I'll learn tanking with the vanguard, but now wondering what to do with the consular - should I go the sage route to give me an alternative Healer or go the Shadow route and have fun DPSing or seeing if my style of tanking runs better with him?

So in summary, as my first alternative to a Vangaurd should I go Sage or Shadow?