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Jedi's lost what makes them Humans ?

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Jedi's lost what makes them Humans ?

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JediElf
06.08.2012 , 08:52 PM | #11
Thank you very much for the replies! This has been really enlightening, and educational.

This is really helped me in forming my Jedis character, and helped me with playing the class.

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smartalectwo
06.09.2012 , 02:45 AM | #12
The Jedi work towards harmony. They work to becoming the ultimate in selflessness. They strive for connection without attachment. Every Jedi tries to be in tune with the world around them, and feelings are part of that. But as long as a Jedi Gets Job Done and doesn't let feelings cause loss of harmony inside themselves or between others, it's all good.

The Sith work towards discord. They work to become the ultimate individuals. They strive for attachment without connection. Every Sith tries to be 100% self-complete and self-contained. Forming relationships with others - friendships, alliances, romances - is fine, as long as a Sith is prepared to betray everyone they're attached to in order to further their own goals.

Between the two, the Sith seem more inhuman to me.
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CaptainTessier
06.09.2012 , 03:28 AM | #13
Very Interesting discussion.

I think Jedi Leadership discourages romantic entanglements for Force Sensitive beings because of the danger intense emotions pose for Force Users. It is a self imposed discipline intended to safegaurd the Jedi and those around him from the possible danger that could result from an emotional outburst.

In Star Wars we see the followers of the Dark Side often trying to provoke emotional responses from the Jedi.
Han was tortured in Empire Strikes Back specifically to upset Luke and draw him out into a confrontation with Vader.

Vader tempted Luke in return of the Jedi with taunts regarding his sister. In Fact the Emperor thought Vader had succeeded but Luke had his epiphany looking at his fathers damaged cyborg body and his own robot hand and turned back from that destiny.

Interestingly Luke had no defense against the Emperor save the remains of his relationship with his Father.

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ScarletBlaze
06.09.2012 , 09:03 AM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by JediElf View Post
Thank you very much for the replies! This has been really enlightening, and educational.

This is really helped me in forming my Jedis character, and helped me with playing the class.

You are Welcome even though half the time I've been told my answers are wrong lol
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Marked_Man
06.09.2012 , 01:11 PM | #15
I think, based on this discussion, it is safe to say that Jedi lost that loving feeling. You know that feeling. Whoa! You know that feeling. They lost that loving feeling. Now, it's gone. Gone. Gone.

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ScarletBlaze
06.09.2012 , 02:50 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Marked_Man View Post
I think, based on this discussion, it is safe to say that Jedi lost that loving feeling. You know that feeling. Whoa! You know that feeling. They lost that loving feeling. Now, it's gone. Gone. Gone.
Lets be a little more correct: Some Jedi not all. I know for a fact one particular jedi still loves her husband.
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Ellvaan
06.10.2012 , 10:06 PM | #17
Greetings everyone!

Thank you for your constructive replies to the discussion!

Just a small reminder that while we understand this type of discussion makes it easy to use real world religion or politics as analogies, given the volatile nature of such topics, we ask that you please keep any religious or political discussion as it pertains to the Star Wars Universe.

Thank you!

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Hitomo_x
06.11.2012 , 04:04 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Marked_Man View Post
I think, based on this discussion, it is safe to say that Jedi lost that loving feeling. You know that feeling. Whoa! You know that feeling. They lost that loving feeling. Now, it's gone. Gone. Gone.
Devoting your life to the ancient philosophys tells you, that the 'love' Jedi choose to lose, is not the true love you will feel when becoming one with all of the universe..

Like a monk, this is the ultimate goal for a jedi. And I can tell you, when reached, it does not feel like losing or letting anything behind at all. Its like getting to know the real thing for the first time. Sith will never be able to reach this state of mind and conection. And if they do they stop being a stih.

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Consensus
06.25.2012 , 07:31 AM | #19
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ok this is a litle complicated

but the Jedi code and the Jedi traning is just Stupid
No Love ? no passion ? basicaly No Feelings ?
most of the Jedi's gett recruited when they are kids and grow up under jedi tranings.
so that means 70% of them are Virgins ? this sounded stupid but sersiously now lol.

i mean these personal feelings and passions make the Humans human
Right now in my eyes Jedi's are a Mindles Cult that protects the innocents NOT bicous they want it but bicous They think thats Their Duty and How many times the Cuncil Let innocents Die bicous they refused to send jedis to places ( remember something like this from the Movies or the revan story ? i dont know )

Anyone can Enlighten me if i know something wrong ? Playing a jedi guardian and i constantly thinking about this well it ruins the immersion totaly lol.
Oh my, i'm sorry but your opinion is archaic in nature to me. The jedi are trained in utmost discipline over their bodies, your desire to have sex is a reproductive urge of your genitals. The jedi overcome the body, its urges may not decide their actions, they control the body, not the other way around.

And emotions such as hate and passion and love are nothing but chemicals in your head that control what you do, again the jedi are disciplined to be the ones in control over their bodies, not the other way around.

Your entire life you have been a slave. Every choice you have made was made under the shackles your very own brain keeps you in. Everything down to what breakfast cereal you like is decided by your body giving you "feel good" reactions when you taste it, and when you do something the body doesn't like, such as not having smoked since a month ago makes your body punish you with "feel bad" reactions. Your chemistry ultimately decide your choces and actions.

To the jedi, the ones who are so dependent on the brain's reactions that they do everything they can to get a good reaction (have sex, do drugs, smoke, drink,etc) or go on rampaging tantrums from their hate and greed are what makes THEM mindless, and I agree. Someone who is not under the impression of the body's desires and greed is someone who truly controls themselves, someone who will not go on killing sprees like animals when they are mad like the sith do.

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DaWaffle
06.25.2012 , 02:29 PM | #20
No, they're just able to put it to the side when necessary.