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Class changes and balance in Game Update 1.3

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Class changes and balance in Game Update 1.3
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Darth_Victus
06.06.2012 , 11:15 AM | #81
Thrilled about the 100% threat generation, which in my opinion should of been in at launch. But great that it is finally being implemented.


Not entirely thrilled about the damage nerfs Guardian and Juggernaut tanks are getting. We barely do any damage as it is, and our two hardest hitting abilities are getting nerfed. Given yes, there is a trade off; but not enough to make the trade off worth the damage reduction.

Hopefully BioWare will not nerf the damage output down by Juggernaut/Guardian tanks anymore then it already is.

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DarkSaberMaster
06.06.2012 , 11:18 AM | #82
Thanks for the PvE nerf because of the PvP whiners. Ya'll are doing an outstanding job in following in the footsteps of other game companies. Bravo!
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dronepilot
06.06.2012 , 11:19 AM | #83
omg, another update, and still nothing to improve the Jedi Infiltrator skill tree ? looks to me, Bioware doesnt want people playing Consular classes. (And our imp mirror classes) too I bet..
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Aelflaed
06.06.2012 , 11:20 AM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by DarkSaberMaster View Post
Thanks for the PvE nerf because of the PvP whiners. Ya'll are doing an outstanding job in following in the footsteps of other game companies. Bravo!

I find this trend... disturbing. But we'll see.

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Griad
06.06.2012 , 11:22 AM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by Ancaglon View Post
Since my separate thread got removed and I got told to discuss it in this thread ---

Are Shadow/Assassin Tanks being relegated to "Offtanks" again?

Thinking back to last November or so, we were told it was a "mis-statement" that the Shadow/Assassin tanks were referred to as off-tanks, and that all 3 tank types should be equally viable as main tanks, but the PTS 1.3 changes seem to be aimed at making that "mis-statement" real.

I sincerely hope that whoever came up with the changes to Shadow/Assassin tanking has actually played all 3 tank "types" before deciding that these changes are actually viable in PVE. Even as of 1.2, the Light armor tanks are still far more prone to being killed by an unlucky round than their heavy armor counterparts. Additionally, on events like Soa where shields are of no use, or where there are a lot of small attacks that chew through kinetic ward/dark ward very quickly, we are significantly inferior to the other 2 types at equal gear levels.

I suspect a big factor driving this is complaints from some in the PVP community, but if you destroy my PVE tanking viability to satisfy them, I may well decide to vote with my wallet. Note: I have played a shadow tank as my main from the day of early access, I am no "FOTM re-roller", and have been waiting patiently on a server that has been practically dead for over 2 months. I am the main tank for my guild, and crippling my tanking capability will affect them as well.

TL;DR: You'd better be certain that the Shadow/Assassin changes don't destroy tank viability.
I must agree i have played my assassin tank aswell since EA days and love tanking on it and in my guild we have 3 main tanks all assassins, because rest of the main tanks have left the dead servers. If our entire guild is forced to either reroll new tanks to be able to compete in the new nightmare ops and HM denova i am fairly certain that people will leave the game.
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Fhrosty
06.06.2012 , 11:25 AM | #86
Thank you! Can't wait to see how the changes to my Commando stack up.

As for the complaints about shadows, I'm PVE, and my guild's main healer says he loves shadow tanks. Call me crazy, but I trust Bioware to do the math to make sure a shadow can tank just as well as a guardian... and if they do go too far with the nerf bat, I trust them to acknowledge it (like they just did with Commandos).

My next character's either going to be a shadow or assassin tank. I'm eager to see for myself if it works.

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Rollento
06.06.2012 , 11:28 AM | #87
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Thank you! Can't wait to see how the changes to my Commando stack up.

As for the complaints about shadows, I'm PVE, and my guild's main healer says he loves shadow tanks. Call me crazy, but I trust Bioware to do the math to make sure a shadow can tank just as well as a guardian... and if they do go too far with the nerf bat, I trust them to acknowledge it (like they just did with Commandos).

My next character's either going to be a shadow or assassin tank. I'm eager to see for myself if it works.
Or be blindly ignorant about it. Sorcs/Sages come to thought, and the absence of nerfs to Marauder/Juggernauts.

Trust is something that isn't given it should be earned. BioWare has yet to earn my "trust", or the trust of 400k subscribers that left.

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nDjiin
06.06.2012 , 11:28 AM | #88
Are you kidding? I mean good work on the tanks but leaving out the fact the mara's now get more and more OP the better the gear. They scale with gear better than any class in the game. Just go to dpsmeter.com and look at the top 10 8 man HM/Nim rankings to see something is very wrong. In PvP this issue is even worse. I play a mara as well as a couple of other classes so I am in a good position to see how laughably overpowered this class is. And in pvp this issue becomes nothing more than a joke. We can rip through anything with ridiculous ease. Even my powertech is now having a lot of trouble against them (which was never an issue before).

If you want this game to be ever taken seriously in the mmo community you are going to have to get to the root of why you cannot seem to balance these classes out. The game has been live for 6 months and its never been worse in this respect.

I will say I am pleased with the other work you have been putting into the game - but it will be for naught if the key element in the game is ludicrously unbalanced. I hope you listen to this and dont leave it too late like you did with the sorcs - letting loads of people respec and then over nerfing them in a desperate attempt to solve an issue you were warned about for months. Only to have a lot of players leave because you didn't do it right.

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Stratospheric
06.06.2012 , 11:29 AM | #89
This game is for PvEr's, PvPr's have to wait for **2

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Rayla_Felana
06.06.2012 , 11:31 AM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by onfireguy View Post
Yes. I believe that this is the type of communication the dev team needs to engage in more frequently and on a regular basis.
^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A thousand times THIS!