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Class changes and balance in Game Update 1.3

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Class changes and balance in Game Update 1.3
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Kirin
06.10.2012 , 07:16 AM | #341
Quote: Originally Posted by TSDx View Post
I'll keep saying it until it finally sinks into the heads of Bioware Devs.

Its a joke if you nerf tank dps without touching Marauder/Sentinel defensive cooldowns.
Well put. So many classes need to be tweaked one way or the other to put them in line with others, and their answer is to make balance worse by nerfing tanks.

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Watercooling
06.10.2012 , 08:31 AM | #342
Thats it,Im done with this class,first they **** up our hybrid,and now this?? Who did the math? And if youre gonna give us this nerf,give us heavy armor or something... Forced to go marauder or sniper Arrgghh

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Tiaa
06.10.2012 , 08:43 AM | #343
Quote: Originally Posted by TheBBP View Post
Thank you SOOO much for the tank love!!!!
You do know they nerfed tanks more than buffed them right?

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BoushhDC
06.10.2012 , 12:19 PM | #344
Quote: Originally Posted by Tiaa View Post
You do know they nerfed tanks more than buffed them right?
What is with the Dev love of the nerf bat? I've always wondered that. Instead of nerfing one tank class, why not just elevate the other two?

On my server (and honestly in pretty much every MMO I've ever played) whenever you see people LFM for their groups to do a FP, Op, w/e, they seem to always be looking for tank a healer or both. While I do think the aggo buff is a positive, do you really think that any nerfs making them a bigger PIA (pain in the arse) to play is going to rectify that trend?? (BW, I'm speaking to you)
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JeramieCrowe
06.10.2012 , 12:25 PM | #345
Quote: Originally Posted by Tiaa View Post
You do know they nerfed tanks more than buffed them right?
Eh, needed to be done. I'm soloing heroic 4 bosses, and that shouldn't be possible.
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Missandei
06.10.2012 , 12:51 PM | #346
Quote: Originally Posted by JeramieCrowe View Post
Eh, needed to be done. I'm soloing heroic 4 bosses, and that shouldn't be possible.
whoa.. I can go to the Tython and oneshot kill every boss there.. «That shouldnt be possible..»
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JeramieCrowe
06.10.2012 , 12:55 PM | #347
Quote: Originally Posted by Missandei View Post
whoa.. I can go to the Tython and oneshot kill every boss there.. «That shouldnt be possible..»
HAHA! Nice joke. Love it when someone isn't serious and uses over-the-top hyperbole.

Nah, last time I did it was while doing the Bonus Series on Balmorra at level. Just yesterday, in fact.
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BoushhDC
06.10.2012 , 03:33 PM | #348
Quote: Originally Posted by JeramieCrowe View Post
Eh, needed to be done. I'm soloing heroic 4 bosses, and that shouldn't be possible.
Were you actually soloing, or using a companion? If the latter, then the argument can be made that it's the companions that need to be nerfed, not the class since you can't use them anyway in WZs under any circumstances and are not preferable in Ops or FPs. By contrast, the changes made to the class itself will carry over beyond the "soloable" heroic 4s. Just sayin'.
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OnlyNameLeft
06.10.2012 , 03:43 PM | #349
Serious question: How many people who are complaining about the Shadow/'Sin changes have each of the tanks at 50 and have compared their performance to each other through playtesting rather than anecdotal evidence? I ask because I have a Juggernaut, an Assassin, and a Powertech, all at 50 and all involved in end-game PvE. Long before the balance changes were out it was my firm belief, gleaned through direct comparision of all three tanking styles, that the Shadow/'Sins were a cut above the others in terms of ease of play and survivability.

i have stated before, and I reiterate now, that anyone who decries these changes as a nerf to an already under-performing class is using the worst kind of hyperbole and selective memory. These changes are designed to bring them in-line with the other tanks and are needed.
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JeramieCrowe
06.10.2012 , 03:52 PM | #350
Quote: Originally Posted by BoushhDC View Post
Were you actually soloing, or using a companion? If the latter, then the argument can be made that it's the companions that need to be nerfed, not the class since you can't use them anyway in WZs under any circumstances and are not preferable in Ops or FPs. By contrast, the changes made to the class itself will carry over beyond the "soloable" heroic 4s. Just sayin'.
Sure, that argument could be made, but it wouldn't be accurate. I have tried to solo the very same mobs on my DPS and Healer alts to no avail. Thus, comparatively speaking in similar circumstances, only as a tank can I solo it.
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