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Avaricus
06.06.2012 , 03:16 AM | #451
I agree with some of the other folks that the raised level cap is rather soon/unneeded. I think some people want to see more choice in content and abilities. Or even balancing what you have already given us. (I recall this game was sold on the basis it was story driven. But seems like they are just desprate to catch up to level cap 85.)

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Goretzu
06.06.2012 , 04:03 AM | #452
Quote: Originally Posted by Avaricus View Post
I agree with some of the other folks that the raised level cap is rather soon/unneeded. I think some people want to see more choice in content and abilities. Or even balancing what you have already given us. (I recall this game was sold on the basis it was story driven. But seems like they are just desprate to catch up to level cap 85.)
Everything else is great.

That bit is very troublesome though.
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too?
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Emeda
06.06.2012 , 05:27 AM | #453
Quote: Originally Posted by JeramieCrowe View Post
LOL!! Level cap going up to 55 when we already have level 61 gear. How is this "removing use of previous content"?? When players reach 50, they do the current content. When players reach 55, they do the new. It's called "progression", and it's the nuts'n'bolts of themepark MMOs.
Because gear you get doing quests at level 51 will be equal too and alot easier to get than running OPS for that gear (solo quests or 8/16 man raids) Just look at all the other games that have done a level cap, expecially the one they like to copy.

In BC regular level 58 mobs in outlands dropped better gear than some of T3. Same with northrend replacing BT/SW gear and then look how fast northrend gear was replaced by DS leveling gear.

Also look how many people ran the older raids to get gear while leveling for use while leveling. less than 1% most likely. Also look how easy the older raids became just because of the gear statr inflation and abilities added.

You can 15 man Cthun with all level 60's in vanilla gear, the only reason people run them still is for achievements and apperance gear.

Once the level cap was raised the previous raids were obsolete and useless. Since SWTOR likes copying WoW so much what makes you think it wont happen in this game also.

If they want to add more class story then they can without raising the cap, just have at the end a new companion (HK?) as thier reward for doing it. Then all the older OPS are still useful as is the new content they add. But no they cant do that can they because then some people would still have to do the older 3 OPS to get into the new one and we cant have that can we!
If this game is so great then why do so many people that love the game spend all their time in the forums?

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joehighlord
06.06.2012 , 05:30 AM | #454
please bioware, please make sure this new operation has more then 3 realy easy bosses.if you want to keep the raiders from going over to games with better raids you need to have good raids yourself, nake nightmare mode realy spine breakingly hard.

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deusBAAL
06.06.2012 , 05:34 AM | #455
Quote: Originally Posted by Razdek View Post
Pandas are exactly the reason why i am playing this and not wow. Bioware really need to rethink what they are doing. Why put in a stupid species that only a small margin of crazy cat lovers like. I didnt like juuani and i hate jorgan (feel like i have an annoying pet cat following me around tha is about to roll over and start purring).

People will leave games nowadays for the smallest and silliest of reaons such as the implimentation of stupid species when we wanted something more epic. I am not saying im leaving but i am just terribilly disappointed.
You dont have to play a cathar neitehr do you have to understand teh BW choice or their hype (neither do I)... SO just just throw Thundercat quotes at anyone actually playing a Cathar ingame then.
Funny how PVP folks strive to become the best PK, while PVE folks know that PKs are just really really bad players.

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FeelFlow
06.06.2012 , 05:39 AM | #456
Ok. Now I think I've seen it all - people complaining about their gear being obsolete re raid progression...

Guys, every single MMO based on the EQ/WoW model does this!

Every single time a new Operation comes out - hopefully every 3 months or so - your gear will be obsolete.

We don't know how rated PvP will work but I imagine that each season - again, roughly every 3 months - new rewards will be introduced making your current gear obsolete.

Stop complaining about this, people! This is how it works. You can't ever 'win'! You beat one challenge and then the next challenge arrives. This is something fundamental to the EQ/ WoW MMO model that TOR is part of.

I give up! How come everyone on here complains so much - literally about anything and everything - whilst the people that I meet ingame are really nice?

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Emeda
06.06.2012 , 05:43 AM | #457
Quote: Originally Posted by ZirusZero View Post
The new level cap is coming with the planet Makeb. Trust me, there will be plenty more to do.
Question is for how long? For anyone who is done with all the ops then let them have a new one thats fine they been waiting for it. But for the people who havent got to 50 or started playing yet BW is removing some of the game from them and then they will be done with it quicker than they should be.

Its a lose/lose for BW and the players. The players lose part of the endgame and BW loses because people will finish all the endgame quicker and be bored sooner.
If this game is so great then why do so many people that love the game spend all their time in the forums?

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Emeda
06.06.2012 , 05:50 AM | #458
Quote: Originally Posted by FeelFlow View Post
Ok. Now I think I've seen it all - people complaining about their gear being obsolete re raid progression...

Guys, every single MMO based on the EQ/WoW model does this!

Every single time a new Operation comes out - hopefully every 3 months or so - your gear and the older Operations you havent done yet will be obsolete.

We don't know how rated PvP will work but I imagine that each season - again, roughly every 3 months - new rewards will be introduced making your current gear obsolete.

Stop complaining about this, people! This is how it works. You can't ever 'win'! You beat one challenge and then the next challenge arrives. This is something fundamental to the EQ/ WoW MMO model that TOR is part of.

Just because this is how it works doesnt mean it is the correct way to do it.

I give up! How come everyone on here complains so much - literally about anything and everything - whilst the people that I meet ingame are really nice?
They are nice because they dont see many people in game. People are complaining because BW is doing the wrong things that will just make the game more boring. I dont think many people are complaining about a new OPS or a new planet or more class storys, those are good things. Rasing the level cap is a bad thing and they should save time and money by not doing it and fixing adding other things into the game to make it better rather than hurt it
If this game is so great then why do so many people that love the game spend all their time in the forums?

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malistyx
06.06.2012 , 06:52 AM | #459
One new planet, one new OPS or one new WZ means NOTHING to me. This type of content will be outdated before it even hits live... This is a game design failure.

Having them is of course not a bad thing,as long as you have already established some sort of metagame end content that can form the back bone of the game keeping the community active and these can be regular updates like the icing on a cake.

Unfortunately in our case this IS the main content and there is no way Bioware can keep up with the demand on the long run. You think I am wrong? Just take a look at what we have so far within only 6 months... Many planets... all deserted and people leaving the game because of boredom.

Back in the days when WoW became the king of MMOs the simplistic easymode themepark item/gear based approach was something innovative appealing to the crowds, compared to the complexity and hardcore mode other MMOs of the time had. After many years of that though this approach will not cut it... Want proof, just check how many high promised "2nd gen" MMOs have failed following this recipe.

Unless they can come up with a plan that will revitalize the old planets and older content as well as keeping the new content interesting, this game like most others before it will slowly bleed dry of subs. To make things worse the structure of the game content is SOOOO linear that changing this fact at this point almost seems impossible.
Seriously HOW MANY times will it take for you to solo the new space mission before you get sick of it? How heroic is it when you have a couple of thousand WRATHs of the emperor just standing in the imperial fleet with their same companion? Is it social when you buy items from a cantina just because they are named "social"?

In the end I find it funny how people focus on what species they will be releasing... as if different species in SWTOR have any game influence other than a different model skin and an worthless ability. People NEED to start noticing the real issues thisgame has and stop bothering with minor details, it is like arguing about the paint color when your boat is sinking!!!

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CitizenSith
06.06.2012 , 07:47 AM | #460
Quote: Originally Posted by JohnSkylar View Post
I've never really understood why the powers that be chose to name a race after a famous anti-Catholic heresy from the middle ages.

I also have never really gotten why it is that this heresy-named race is a bunch of cat people.
Do you question why they use Sith when sith is an archaic phrase of sith tham, which means "after that," "subsequently to that," and sith alone means roughly "to that"? Or the history of Jedi? Sometimes there's just coincidence or hoping for obscure knowledge. (Vader, anyone?)

My question to the devs is: When Dr. Muzyka stated "This July everyone can play the game up to level 15, for free," did he mean only for the month of July or beginning in July and continuing on indefinitely? Link (22:47)
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