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Is it OK for the game to expend Star Wars

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Vankris
06.04.2012 , 07:52 AM | #1
More precisely, is it ok for the game to introduce technology and conflict that does not exist in the star wars universe.

Many star wars fan seems so opposed to the star trek's transporter (Enterprise, 3 to beam up!), because that is not star wars technology. Ok with that but some game mechanics could definitly be improved with the mechanic (bypassing orbital station). Beside, haven't the eshka discover the teleport anyway?

Let's talk about weapon. We have light saber, we have blaster.
How about a light bow or crossbow?
How about a light whip?
How about lightdagger (as opposed to light saber)
How about curved lightsaber.

Let's talk about enemies.
Can the dev create a whole new lore, with all news alian species.
Something synthetics like the borgs or the cylons.
Something inspired from mythology (zeus, hades, thor, odin...)

Or would it be betraying star wars to do so?
question for the RP and lore specialist i suppose.
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06.04.2012 , 07:55 AM | #2
I do wish my offhand saber had the shorter blade style ala kotor 2
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06.04.2012 , 07:59 AM | #3
There's certainly new things added to the lore by the game already, the Esh-kah for example is new. Also Voss is a completely new addition.
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MillionsKNives
06.04.2012 , 08:05 AM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by Vankris View Post
More precisely, is it ok for the game to introduce technology and conflict that does not exist in the star wars universe.

Many star wars fan seems so opposed to the star trek's transporter (Enterprise, 3 to beam up!), because that is not star wars technology. Ok with that but some game mechanics could definitly be improved with the mechanic (bypassing orbital station). Beside, haven't the eshka discover the teleport anyway? You mean like the quick travel and fleet pass that are already in the game?

Let's talk about weapon. We have light saber, we have blaster.
How about a light bow or crossbow? Don't Wookiees already use something similar?
How about a light whip? That sounds even more dangerous than a laser sword, for little gain, other than novelty
How about lightdagger (as opposed to light saber) For what purpose? What benefit does a dagger have over a sword. They would both fit into the same size pocket.
How about curved lightsaber. Again, novelty?

Let's talk about enemies.
Can the dev create a whole new lore, with all news alian species. There are already SO many species in existing lore to use.
Something synthetics like the borgs or the cylons. You mean like the cyborgs or the robots already in the game? And that whole flashpoint where they try to take over the universe?
Something inspired from mythology (zeus, hades, thor, odin...) uh....

Or would it be betraying star wars to do so?
question for the RP and lore specialist i suppose.
Most of it just seems unnecessary. Especially if you want to keep the feel of Star Wars.

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Jandi
06.04.2012 , 09:18 AM | #5
Is it ok? It already does in many ways O.o However, should they add stuff just for the sake of adding stuff? No. It's the main reason why I can't stand most of the EU books. Every author is trying to outdo the last one instead of focusing on making a good book, it's pathetic and becomes tiresome when author A does a long book about something, then the next author renders the last book completely meaningless.

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ShakespeareZombi
06.04.2012 , 09:55 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by Vankris View Post
More precisely, is it ok for the game to introduce technology and conflict that does not exist in the star wars universe.

Many star wars fan seems so opposed to the star trek's transporter (Enterprise, 3 to beam up!), because that is not star wars technology. Ok with that but some game mechanics could definitly be improved with the mechanic (bypassing orbital station). Beside, haven't the eshka discover the teleport anyway?

Let's talk about weapon. We have light saber, we have blaster.
How about a light bow or crossbow?
How about a light whip?
How about lightdagger (as opposed to light saber)
How about curved lightsaber.

Let's talk about enemies.
Can the dev create a whole new lore, with all news alian species.
Something synthetics like the borgs or the cylons.
Something inspired from mythology (zeus, hades, thor, odin...)

Or would it be betraying star wars to do so?
question for the RP and lore specialist i suppose.
We have arc casters, thats pretty close to the "Light crossbow" you speak of. But if you understood the technology behind lightsabers, it doesn't make sense to have any related ranged weapons. Teleportation is a no. It would change so many things, so many aspects of star wars that are important. Boarding, tractor beams, invasions, troop transports... It would shake the Star wars universe so terribly that its just impossible to justify to the fan base. Time lapses in travel are already prelavent in-game, and you can already bypass the station. Simply pretend its a few minutes later. No teleporters. As far as curved lightsabers go, the beam does not bend. Though there are curved hilted lightsabers that function in much the same fashion when it comes to technique.

And there are light whips and daggers, though I'm not sure why you would want a light dagger. A good vibro-knife would usually suffice.

SWTOR has added several new races, including the Ancient Rataka and the fascinating new race of the Voss. I think they might have invented Selkath too, but I'm not sure. If you read more about the Kilick, they might fit into your borg archetype pretty well. As far as mythology goes, there probably already is some mythology inspired elements, but Star Wars tends to lean more towards references to Christian and especially Asian philosophy.

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Lithy
06.04.2012 , 10:05 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Vankris View Post
Let's talk about weapon. We have light saber, we have blaster.
How about a light bow or crossbow?
Already exist.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bowcaster

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How about curved lightsaber.
This doesn't really fit with anything... all instances of bolts and lightsabres are straight. and would be more dangerous and probably get the user killed anyway.

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How about lightdagger (as opposed to light saber)
already excist, yoda uses something slightly longer than a dagger and offhand parrying blades are in KOTOR and some other games.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yoda%27s_lightsaber
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shoto
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Guard_shoto
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightsaber_pike
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lightwhip

ANy number of these would be welcome additions.

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Let's talk about enemies.
Can the dev create a whole new lore, with all news alian species.
Something synthetics like the borgs or the cylons.
you can play as these already....

Edit: Post above brought up the Voss, so yes they can create races.

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Something inspired from mythology (zeus, hades, thor, odin...)
many ideas are pulled from things already, I'm sure if you looked you could find these refrences.

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Or would it be betraying star wars to do so?
question for the RP and lore specialist i suppose.
90% of stuff you're asking for exists in the game, or at the very least the universe lore.
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Sith-Viscera
06.04.2012 , 10:16 AM | #8
the way the original movies time period is perceive, it gives the idea of a galaxy that is recovering from the wars but yet has started another and with that is the lack of technology that was around in the times of the clone wars and as well even farther back in TOR.

Civilizations in the movies mostly looked more, war induced poverty type environments. Star Fleets look more like the oldest models around instead of new ones, not like the high tech appearance of the ships and star fleets of TOR or even the CW.

So whom is to say what kind or how high tech things were in TOR or Just how advance was the high tech before the war compared too hundreds and even thousands of years after war, just imagine how much tech was lost to war, in STAR WARS history.

So any thing is possible.

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ShakespeareZombi
06.04.2012 , 11:02 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by Sith-Viscera View Post
the way the original movies time period is perceive, it gives the idea of a galaxy that is recovering from the wars but yet has started another and with that is the lack of technology that was around in the times of the clone wars and as well even farther back in TOR.

Civilizations in the movies mostly looked more, war induced poverty type environments. Star Fleets look more like the oldest models around instead of new ones, not like the high tech appearance of the ships and star fleets of TOR or even the CW.

So whom is to say what kind or how high tech things were in TOR or Just how advance was the high tech before the war compared too hundreds and even thousands of years after war, just imagine how much tech was lost to war, in STAR WARS history.

So any thing is possible.

Except teleporters.

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ProfessorWalsh
06.04.2012 , 11:04 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Vankris View Post
More precisely, is it ok for the game to introduce technology and conflict that does not exist in the star wars universe.
Yes and no.

The problem with the introduction of technology has nothing to do with the game doing it, it has to do with the time frame that the game takes place in. You see this game is a prequel and thus any technology introduced we have to explain why it has never existed since. This is the same issue many die-hard fans had with Havoc Squad in pre-release as if there was a way to train non-Sensitives to match fully trained Jedi Knights in a small fraction of the time there would be no Jedi Knights in Star Wars at a later time. (This was fixed by the game straight up telling you that the members of Havoc Squad, with the sole exception of the single member represented by the Trooper class cannot do that.)

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Many star wars fan seems so opposed to the star trek's transporter (Enterprise, 3 to beam up!), because that is not star wars technology. Ok with that but some game mechanics could definitly be improved with the mechanic (bypassing orbital station). Beside, haven't the eshka discover the teleport anyway?
The only members of Star Wars that have "teleporters" were the Rakata (as shown on Belsavis) and a special Force Techniques by the Aiing-Tii monks. Nobody else has them.

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Let's talk about weapon. We have light saber, we have blaster.
Okay...

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How about a light bow or crossbow?
The wookiee bowcaster is basically a crossbow that fires a solid projectile wrapped in an energy sheath. So it is basically a "light crossbow" as to why they don't have a "real" bow that shoots light arrows... That is a little too fantasy.

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How about a light whip?
Already exists in canon. It is much hated.

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How about lightdagger (as opposed to light saber)
Short lightsabers already exist in canon.

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How about curved lightsaber.
Not possible to do by the physics of Star Wars. Energy doesn't bend that way. We don't need a "light katana" anyway.

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Let's talk about enemies.
Can the dev create a whole new lore, with all news alian species.
Something synthetics like the borgs or the cylons.
Something inspired from mythology (zeus, hades, thor, odin...)
Alien Species, yes, the Voss. Though they are limited by approval from Lucas Arts on such things.

There are Synthetics in Star Wars. They are known as HRD's or Human Replica Droids. They aren't a race. They are banned technology prominently featured in the Shadows of the Empire novels. There are also Cyborgs in Star Wars, they can be seen in such things as The Old Republic and are an available race for Trooper characters.

Mythology: No.

Star Wars has no connection to Earth so it is impossible for them to have something based on something from Earth. The Star Wars Galaxy is an artificial Galaxy that is encapsulated by black holes. Nothing gets in, nothing gets out.

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Or would it be betraying star wars to do so?
question for the RP and lore specialist i suppose.
In some cases, yes, it would be.
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